Talk:Zombie (monster class) - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: Umbire the Phantom moved page Talk:Zombie to Talk:Zombie (monster class): Make way for article on zombies as a group (which are all part of the monster class anyway)

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Umbire the Phantom moved page Talk:Zombie to Talk:Zombie (monster class): Make way for article on zombies as a group (which are all part of the monster class anyway)

Qazmlpok: /* Human Zombie does not have human attribute */

2011-10-16T13:36:19Z

‎Human Zombie does not have human attribute

Qazmlpok: /* Human Zombie does not have human attribute */

2011-10-16T13:29:49Z

‎Human Zombie does not have human attribute

99.239.146.253: /* Human Zombie does not have human attribute */ new section

2011-10-16T07:42:36Z

‎Human Zombie does not have human attribute: new section

Tjr at 12:30, 12 October 2010

2010-10-12T12:30:37Z

Ion frigate at 03:59, 12 October 2010

2010-10-12T03:59:20Z

Ion frigate at 03:58, 12 October 2010

2010-10-12T03:58:09Z

MadDawg2552 at 03:20, 1 March 2007

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72.200.112.118 at 05:05, 28 February 2007

2007-02-28T05:05:26Z

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==Zombies don't cause the player to rise from the dead==
As the same misinformation has been added twice, I figure I should clarify:

In done_in_by in end.c, the u.ugrave_arise variable is set if your corpse will rise from the dead in a bones file. The defined ones are:
#If killed by a wraith, barrow wight, or Nazgul, you rise from the dead as a wraith.
#If killed by a mummy, you rise from the dead as a mummy of your own race.
#If killed by a vampire, vampire lord, or Vlad the Impaler, and you are human, you rise from the dead as a vampire.
#If killed by a ghoul, you rise from the dead as a ghoul.

Notice that zombies are missing from that list. If you get yourself killed by a zombie, you don't rise from the dead. [[User:72.200.112.118|72.200.112.118]] 05:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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	I can see in the source that the human zombie does not have the M2_HUMAN flag. Does this matter in the game? When you are human, does eating their corpse count as cannibalism? Does it count for sacrificing? Are there any other example where it would matter if the monster was human? --[[Special:Contributions/99.239.146.253\|99.239.146.253]] 07:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)		I can see in the source that the human zombie does not have the M2_HUMAN flag. Does this matter in the game? When you are human, does eating their corpse count as cannibalism? Does it count for sacrificing? Are there any other example where it would matter if the monster was human? --[[Special:Contributions/99.239.146.253\|99.239.146.253]] 07:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
−	:Zombies don't leave zombie corpses, so it will not affect cannibalism or sacrificing. A human zombie leaves a human corpse, which does have the M2_HUMAN flag. ~~The only other use~~ of ~~the M2_race flags~~ I ~~can think of off~~ the ~~top of my head~~ is ~~the orc detection from Sting~~ -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)	+	:Zombies don't leave zombie corpses, so it will not affect cannibalism or sacrificing. A human zombie leaves a human corpse, which does have the M2_HUMAN flag. There's a list of what this will affect at [[Human_(monster_attribute)#Effect]]; among others, a human zombie could not be tamed and would ignore Elbereth if they did have M2_HUMAN, so I imagine the omission is deliberate. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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	I can see in the source that the human zombie does not have the M2_HUMAN flag. Does this matter in the game? When you are human, does eating their corpse count as cannibalism? Does it count for sacrificing? Are there any other example where it would matter if the monster was human? --[[Special:Contributions/99.239.146.253\|99.239.146.253]] 07:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)		I can see in the source that the human zombie does not have the M2_HUMAN flag. Does this matter in the game? When you are human, does eating their corpse count as cannibalism? Does it count for sacrificing? Are there any other example where it would matter if the monster was human? --[[Special:Contributions/99.239.146.253\|99.239.146.253]] 07:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Zombies don't leave zombie corpses, so it will not affect cannibalism or sacrificing. A human zombie leaves a human corpse, which does have the M2_HUMAN flag. The only other use of the M2_race flags I can think of off the top of my head is the orc detection from Sting -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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	: In my opinion, this article should be un-stubbed. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:30, October 12, 2010 (UTC)		: In my opinion, this article should be un-stubbed. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:30, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	I can see in the source that the human zombie does not have the M2_HUMAN flag. Does this matter in the game? When you are human, does eating their corpse count as cannibalism? Does it count for sacrificing? Are there any other example where it would matter if the monster was human? --[[Special:Contributions/99.239.146.253\|99.239.146.253]] 07:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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	This page is marked as a stub. A question I have is: is there really much more one can say about the individual zombies? The general qualities of zombies (rotten base monster corpses, etc) are covered in the header; the individual distinctions are also covered (eg elf zombies being tinned for sleep resistance). This is a problem not specific to this particular article; things like [[pit viper]], [[kobold]], [[imp]], [[ettin]], and others cover monsters who don't really have many distinguishing features, and whose articles are necessarily short. However, to call them stubs implies they are incomplete, which I don't believe to be true. So should we perhaps remove the stub designation from pages of non-distinct monsters? This extends to some item articles as well, eg [[orcish short sword]]. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)		This page is marked as a stub. A question I have is: is there really much more one can say about the individual zombies? The general qualities of zombies (rotten base monster corpses, etc) are covered in the header; the individual distinctions are also covered (eg elf zombies being tinned for sleep resistance). This is a problem not specific to this particular article; things like [[pit viper]], [[kobold]], [[imp]], [[ettin]], and others cover monsters who don't really have many distinguishing features, and whose articles are necessarily short. However, to call them stubs implies they are incomplete, which I don't believe to be true. So should we perhaps remove the stub designation from pages of non-distinct monsters? This extends to some item articles as well, eg [[orcish short sword]]. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	: In my opinion, this article should be un-stubbed. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:30, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

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	==Stub==		==Stub==
−	This page is marked as a stub. A question I have is: is there really much more one can say about the individual zombies? The general qualities of zombies (rotten base monster corpses~~, bones file behavior~~, etc) are covered in the header; the individual distinctions are also covered (eg elf zombies being tinned for sleep resistance). This is a problem not specific to this particular article; things like [[pit viper]], [[kobold]], [[imp]], [[ettin]], and others cover monsters who don't really have many distinguishing features, and whose articles are necessarily short. However, to call them stubs implies they are incomplete, which I don't believe to be true. So should we perhaps remove the stub designation from pages of non-distinct monsters? This extends to some item articles as well, eg [[orcish short sword]]. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)	+	This page is marked as a stub. A question I have is: is there really much more one can say about the individual zombies? The general qualities of zombies (rotten base monster corpses, etc) are covered in the header; the individual distinctions are also covered (eg elf zombies being tinned for sleep resistance). This is a problem not specific to this particular article; things like [[pit viper]], [[kobold]], [[imp]], [[ettin]], and others cover monsters who don't really have many distinguishing features, and whose articles are necessarily short. However, to call them stubs implies they are incomplete, which I don't believe to be true. So should we perhaps remove the stub designation from pages of non-distinct monsters? This extends to some item articles as well, eg [[orcish short sword]]. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

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	:The reason I added it back in was because the original text made it sound like you come back from the dead when you are killed by a zombie, and the revert made it seem like that was the case. I'm no source expert, so I changed the original text to say that your corpse is a zombie in a bones file in an attempt to clarify it. I also thought that was true because I remember running into a bones character that wasn't a ghost, but I didn't remember exactly what type of monster it was. Being the trusting person I am, I assumed the first person had it correct. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 03:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)		:The reason I added it back in was because the original text made it sound like you come back from the dead when you are killed by a zombie, and the revert made it seem like that was the case. I'm no source expert, so I changed the original text to say that your corpse is a zombie in a bones file in an attempt to clarify it. I also thought that was true because I remember running into a bones character that wasn't a ghost, but I didn't remember exactly what type of monster it was. Being the trusting person I am, I assumed the first person had it correct. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 03:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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		+	This page is marked as a stub. A question I have is: is there really much more one can say about the individual zombies? The general qualities of zombies (rotten base monster corpses, bones file behavior, etc) are covered in the header; the individual distinctions are also covered (eg elf zombies being tinned for sleep resistance). This is a problem not specific to this particular article; things like [[pit viper]], [[kobold]], [[imp]], [[ettin]], and others cover monsters who don't really have many distinguishing features, and whose articles are necessarily short. However, to call them stubs implies they are incomplete, which I don't believe to be true. So should we perhaps remove the stub designation from pages of non-distinct monsters? This extends to some item articles as well, eg [[orcish short sword]]. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

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	Notice that zombies are missing from that list. If you get yourself killed by a zombie, you don't rise from the dead. [[User:72.200.112.118\|72.200.112.118]] 05:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)		Notice that zombies are missing from that list. If you get yourself killed by a zombie, you don't rise from the dead. [[User:72.200.112.118\|72.200.112.118]] 05:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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		+	:The reason I added it back in was because the original text made it sound like you come back from the dead when you are killed by a zombie, and the revert made it seem like that was the case. I'm no source expert, so I changed the original text to say that your corpse is a zombie in a bones file in an attempt to clarify it. I also thought that was true because I remember running into a bones character that wasn't a ghost, but I didn't remember exactly what type of monster it was. Being the trusting person I am, I assumed the first person had it correct. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 03:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)