Thiefbane - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: slight touch-ups

2025-03-24T05:49:18Z

slight touch-ups

Umbire the Phantom: One-Eyed Sam doesn't have their own article split off properly yet, and in general there's probably a ton of bad advice to prune re: the black market

2023-12-11T10:52:42Z

One-Eyed Sam doesn't have their own article split off properly yet, and in general there's probably a ton of bad advice to prune re: the black market

Ion frigate: it's not wishable in slash'em either - going to assume that since that's where it originated, it's not wishable in any other variant

2023-12-11T00:13:16Z

it's not wishable in slash'em either - going to assume that since that's where it originated, it's not wishable in any other variant

Ion frigate: expanding, but also mostly removed section on acquiring - belongs more in One-eyed Sam, and also is kinda ..bad.. advice

2023-12-10T23:57:46Z

expanding, but also mostly removed section on acquiring - belongs more in One-eyed Sam, and also is kinda ..bad.. advice

Umbire the Phantom: cats + todo

2023-12-09T20:04:44Z

cats + todo

Actual-nh: Category:UnNetHack

2021-03-09T03:23:29Z

Category:UnNetHack

Mightydog: /* Acquiring Thiefbane */

2018-12-04T05:35:21Z

‎Acquiring Thiefbane

Mightydog at 06:41, 30 October 2017

2017-10-30T06:41:13Z

Mightydog at 06:40, 30 October 2017

2017-10-30T06:40:32Z

Mightydog: Reminded readers that

2017-08-27T05:49:34Z

Reminded readers that

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    |largedmg=1d12 '''+1 + level drain + cancellation + beheading'''
    |tohit='''+5'''
-   |bonusversus=[[@]]
+   |bonusversus=[[Human or elf|humans and elves]]
    |skill=long sword
    |affiliation=[[chaotic]]
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 ==Description==
-Against monsters represented by {{white|@}}, Thiefbane has a 10% chance of [[beheading]], causes [[level drain]] similar to [[Stormbringer]], and has +5 to hit and +1 damage. Thiefbane also has a 1 in 6 chance of [[canceling]] any {{white|@}} it hits.{{refsrc|src/artifact.c|1206|unnethack=1406}} This also means that Thiefbane will subject you to [[artifact blast]]s even if you are chaotic, since you are always represented by {{white|@}}.
+Against [[Human or elf|humans and elves]], Thiefbane has a 10% chance of [[beheading]], causes [[level drain]] similar to [[Stormbringer]], and has +5 to hit and +1 damage. Thiefbane also has a 1 in 6 chance of [[canceling]] any human or elf it hits.{{refsrc|src/artifact.c|1206|unnethack=1406}} This also means that Thiefbane will subject you to [[artifact blast]]s even if you are chaotic, since you are always represented by {{white|@}}.
 In [[UnNetHack]], Thiefbane's base item class has been changed to [[two-handed sword]] and the player is in danger of being decapitated even if not in a form symbolized by {{white|@}}.

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    |material=iron
 }}
-'''Thiefbane''' is an artifact weapon in [[SLASH'EM]], [[SlashTHEM]], [[SpliceHack]], [[Hack'EM]], and [[UnNetHack]].  Generally a [[chaotic]] [[long sword]], it is found in the possession of [[One-eyed Sam]] in the [[Black Market]].
+'''Thiefbane''' is an artifact weapon in [[SLASH'EM]], [[SlashTHEM]], [[SpliceHack]], [[Hack'EM]], and [[UnNetHack]]. Generally a [[chaotic]] [[long sword]], it is found in the possession of [[One-eyed Sam]] in the [[Black Market]].
 ==Description==
-Against monsters represented by {{white|@}}, Thiefbane has a 10% chance of [[beheading]], causes [[level drain]] similar to [[Stormbringer]], and has +5 to hit and +1 damage.  Thiefbane also has a 1 in 6 chance of [[canceling]] any {{white|@}} it hits, which is probably you.{{refsrc|src/artifact.c|1206|unnethack=1406}}
+In [[UnNetHack]], Thiefbane's base item class has been changed to [[two-handed sword]] and the player is in danger of being decapitated even if not in a form symbolized by {{white|@}}.
 ==Generation==
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 Thiefbane is the primary reason that angering One-eyed Sam is frequently a game-ending mistake; against the player, it is easily the deadliest weapon in the game.  However, in the player's hands, it is somewhat underwhelming, as for the most part non-player {{white|@}} are not particularly dangerous or common.  One possible exception is on the [[Astral Plane]], with its hordes of [[aligned priest]]s and [[player monster]]s, but even there, most players will likely prefer a weapon such as [[Vorpal Blade]] or [[Excalibur]].
 ==References==
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 ==Generation==
-Thiefbane cannot be randomly generated; the game will always attempt to give Thiefbane to One-eyed Sam, but in [[SLASH'EM]] it is possible to [[wish]] for it before the Black Market is generated, causing her to generate with an ordinary long sword instead.
+Thiefbane will always be generated in One-Eyed Sam's inventory. It cannot be randomly generated or wished for{{refsrc|objnam.c|3018|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}, or even found in [[bones]]{{refsrc|bones.c|124|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}.
-If generated in One-eyed Sam's inventory, Thiefbane will be well-enchanted.  It is not generated [[rustproof]], as players who elect to kill Sam via controlled [[polymorph]] into a [[giant shoggoth]] will discover.
+Thiefbane will be well-enchanted, but it is not generated [[rustproof]], as players who elect to kill Sam via controlled [[polymorph]] into a [[giant shoggoth]] will discover.
 ==Strategy==
 Thiefbane is the primary reason that angering One-eyed Sam is frequently a game-ending mistake; against the player, it is easily the deadliest weapon in the game.  However, in the player's hands, it is somewhat underwhelming, as for the most part non-player {{white|@}} are not particularly dangerous or common.  One possible exception is on the [[Astral Plane]], with its hordes of [[aligned priest]]s and [[player monster]]s, but even there, most players will likely prefer a weapon such as [[Vorpal Blade]] or [[Excalibur]].
 == UnNetHack ==
-In [[UnNetHack]], Thiefbane's base item class has been changed to [[two-handed sword]] and the player is in danger of being decapitated even if not in a form symbolized by {{kbd|@}}.
+In [[UnNetHack]], Thiefbane's base item class has been changed to [[two-handed sword]] and the player is in danger of being decapitated even if not in a form symbolized by {{white|@}}.
 ==References==
 <references/>

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 }}
-'''Thiefbane''' is always generated in the inventory of [[One-Eyed Sam]] (unless wished for before Sam is generated). Thiefbane is typically generated with an [[enchantment]], but the greater prize is the [[instadeath]] by decapitation (10% chance) on monsters symbolized by [[@]]. Thiefbane also has a 1 in 6 chance of [[canceling]] whatever it hits, which is probably you.{{refsrc|src/artifact.c|1206|unnethack=1406}}
+'''Thiefbane''' is an artifact weapon in [[SLASH'EM]], [[SlashTHEM]], [[SpliceHack]], [[Hack'EM]], and [[UnNetHack]].  Generally a [[chaotic]] [[long sword]], it is found in the possession of [[One-eyed Sam]] in the [[Black Market]].
-Note that Thiefbane may [[Artifact blast|blast]] you, even if you are chaotic.
+==Description==
-== Acquiring Thiefbane ==
+Against monsters represented by {{white|@}}, Thiefbane has a 10% chance of [[beheading]], causes [[level drain]] similar to [[Stormbringer]], and has +5 to hit and +1 damage.  Thiefbane also has a 1 in 6 chance of [[canceling]] any {{white|@}} it hits, which is probably you.{{refsrc|src/artifact.c|1206|unnethack=1406}}
-However, this is not neccessary to acquire Thiefbane. If you are appropriately fast, armored, brave, or stupid, and you have the [[disarm (technique)|disarm]] [[technique]] and can hit with something you are at least skilled in, you can steal Thiefbane. Be aware that you still risk decapitation. If you try that, you will need an escape plan that works despite the [[black market]]'s restrictions. One way is to apply (break) a wand of digging, trapping her (away from the door).  Note that unless you are wearing an [[amulet of life saving]], you don't really need an escape plan, since you won't be around to use it.
+Note that Thiefbane may [[Artifact blast|blast]] you, even if you are chaotic, as you are represented by {{white|@}}.
 == UnNetHack ==
 In [[UnNetHack]], Thiefbane's base item class has been changed to [[two-handed sword]] and the player is in danger of being decapitated even if not in a form symbolized by {{kbd|@}}.
-As if that's not hard enough, UnNethack does not allow Thiefbane to be wished for (the code calls this <code>wishing abuse</code>).{{refsrc|src/objnam.c|3036|unnethack=1406}} So you're going to have to fight her ''and'' her sword.
+UnNethack does not allow Thiefbane to be wished for (the code calls this <code>wishing abuse</code>),{{refsrc|src/objnam.c|3036|unnethack=1406}} meaning it will always appear in One-eyed Sam's inventory.
 ==References==
 <references/>

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 As if that's not hard enough, UnNethack does not allow Thiefbane to be wished for (the code calls this <code>wishing abuse</code>).{{refsrc|src/objnam.c|3036|unnethack=1406}} So you're going to have to fight her ''and'' her sword.
 ==References==
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 [[Category:Artifact weapons]]
 [[Category:SLASH'EM Artifacts]]
 ==References==
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 == Acquiring Thiefbane ==
-Given that One-eyed Sam is level 24 and carries most of an ascension kit, it's usually a bad idea to simply engage them in melee. A [[scroll of earth]] or invisibility will fix One-eyed Sam on their spot, and highly enchanted firearms or poisoned darts work fine for the kill. More suggestions can be found at the [[black market]] page.
+Given that One-eyed Sam is level 24 and carries most of an ascension kit, it's usually a bad idea to simply engage her in melee. A [[scroll of earth]] or [[scroll of flood]] may fix One-eyed Sam on her spot (assuming she is not flying), and highly enchanted firearms or poisoned darts work fine for the kill. More suggestions can be found at the [[black market]] page.
-However, this is not neccessary to acquire Thiefbane. If you are appropriately fast, armored, brave or stupid, and have the [[disarm (technique)|disarm]] [[technique]] and are wielding something you are at least skilled in, you can steal Thiefbane. Be aware that you still risk decapitation. If you try that, you will need an escape plan that works despite the [[black market]]'s restrictions. One way is to apply (break) a wand of digging, trapping him (away from the door).  Note that unless you are wearing an [[amulet of life saving]], you don't really need an escape plan, since you won't be around to use it.
+However, this is not neccessary to acquire Thiefbane. If you are appropriately fast, armored, brave, or stupid, and you have the [[disarm (technique)|disarm]] [[technique]] and can hit with something you are at least skilled in, you can steal Thiefbane. Be aware that you still risk decapitation. If you try that, you will need an escape plan that works despite the [[black market]]'s restrictions. One way is to apply (break) a wand of digging, trapping her (away from the door).  Note that unless you are wearing an [[amulet of life saving]], you don't really need an escape plan, since you won't be around to use it.
 == UnNetHack ==