Tin - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: touch-ups

2026-04-20T03:01:16Z

touch-ups

Umbire the Phantom: /* Eating a tin */ potholes

2026-01-11T18:13:23Z

‎Eating a tin: potholes

Umbire the Phantom: /* Eating a tin */ clarify rotten entry

2025-02-22T00:46:57Z

‎Eating a tin: clarify rotten entry

Umbire the Phantom: /* Description */ s'more copyedit

2025-02-22T00:39:37Z

‎Description: s'more copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: copyedit - don't worry K2, didn't try to sneak out the parenthetical bit

2025-02-22T00:08:20Z

copyedit - don't worry K2, didn't try to sneak out the parenthetical bit

Umbire the Phantom: Undo revision 184352 by Umbire the Phantom (talk) per request - can probably find another way to phrase it after I'm done testing something

2025-02-21T23:52:49Z

Undo revision 184352 by Umbire the Phantom (talk) per request - can probably find another way to phrase it after I'm done testing something

Umbire the Phantom: simplify

2025-02-21T23:49:22Z

simplify

K2: /* Description */ cursed tins

2025-02-21T23:48:24Z

‎Description: cursed tins

Umbire the Phantom: copyedit + upcoming - clarify the existing metallivore stuff some

2024-12-28T16:08:29Z

copyedit + upcoming - clarify the existing metallivore stuff some

Phol ende wodan: /* Eating a tin */ 3.7: hazards of eating tins as a metallivore

2024-12-28T13:26:49Z

‎Eating a tin: 3.7: hazards of eating tins as a metallivore

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 A '''tin''' is a type of [[comestible]] that appears in ''[[NetHack]]''. It is a [[metal]] object that acts as a form of permafood.
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 ===Eating a tin===
-Once a tin is successfully opened, a message is printed indicating what the contents [[smell]] like, followed by a prompt to eat or discard the contents; the tin is used up in either case, and the contents of tins in the same stack are [[auto-identified]]. If the tin is empty due to containing the meat or flesh of a monster type that is genocided or extinct, it is automatically discarded. If a tin is opened while [[hallucinating]], the game will print the name of a random monster - the exception to this is [[footrice]] meat, which always "smells like chicken".{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1329|nethack=3.6.7}} Opening a tin owned by a shop will incur a charge for the object regardless of its contents and whether or not you consume them.
+Once a tin is successfully opened, a message is printed indicating what the contents [[smell]] like, followed by a prompt to eat or discard the contents; the tin is used up in either case, and the contents of tins in the same stack are [[auto-identified]]. If the tin is empty due to containing the meat or flesh of a monster type that is genocided or extinct, it is automatically discarded. If a tin is opened while [[hallucinating]], the game will print the name of a random monster&mdash;the exception to this is [[footrice]] meat, which always "smells like chicken".{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1329|nethack=3.6.7}} Opening a tin owned by a shop will incur a charge for the object regardless of its contents and whether or not the hero consumes them.
-Tins of a monster have the same probability to grant an [[intrinsic]] as the monster's corpse does, the contents of tins cannot be [[rotten]] in the same sense as other permafood, and tins of [[acidic]] and [[poison]]ous corpses are always safe to eat{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1368|version=NetHack 3.6.7|comment=Eating a tin calls <code>cprefx</code>, but not <code>eatcorpse</code> on line 1644, where stomach acid and the like are handled.}} - this does not prevent effects applied after consumption, such as [[stunning]], [[stoning]] or hallucination.
+Tins of a monster have the same probability to grant an [[intrinsic]] as the monster's corpse does, the contents of tins cannot be [[rotten]] in the same sense as other permafood, and tins of [[acidic]] and [[poisonous]] corpses are always safe to eat{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1368|version=NetHack 3.6.7|comment=Eating a tin calls <tt>cprefx</tt>, but not <tt>eatcorpse</tt> on line 1644, where stomach acid and the like are handled.}}&mdash;this does not prevent effects applied after consumption, such as [[stunning]], [[stoning]] or hallucination.
 Eating the contents of a tin takes one turn and reveals its preparation method, which defines its nutrition value:{{refsrc|src/eat.c|127|nethack=3.6.7}}

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 Per {{commit|7bf38881189aa129d8e4a215172c279f06310510}}, tins of specific monsters can cost more in shops based on the intrinsics they can provide.
-Per {{commit|1c5b2950}}, eating a tin as a metallivore grans 5 extra points of nutrition for eating the metal in the tin itself, and causes the hero to eat its contents without smelling it or prompting the player to potentially decline eating. This means that the hero might consume meat that [[petrifies]] or [[polymorphs]] them by accident, or else gain too much nutrition from a tin of [[spinach]] and choke.}}
+Per {{commit|1c5b2950}}, eating a tin as a metallivore grans 5 extra points of nutrition for eating the metal in the tin itself, and causes the hero to eat its contents without smelling it or prompting the player to potentially decline eating. This means that the hero might consume meat that causes [[stoning]] or [[polymorph]]s them by accident, or else gain too much nutrition from a tin of [[spinach]] and choke.}}
 ==Strategy==

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 | Empty || 0 ||
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-| ''Rotten'' || -20 || Gives 0 nutrition and causes nausea, which lowers nutrition by [[vomiting]] unless cured{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1374|nethack=3.6.7}}
+| ''Rotten'' || 0 || Gives 0 nutrition and induces [[nausea]], which causes -20 nutrition loss by vomiting unless cured{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1374|nethack=3.6.7}}
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 ==Description==
-When attempting to [[eat]] a tin, the [[hero]] will first try to open it, with the method and amount of time [[occupied]] depending on their current form as well as their [[wield]]ed weapon or tool (if any).{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1457|nethack=3.6.7|comment=<tt>start_tin</tt> function}} Heroes cannot open tins to eat their contents if they are [[polymorph]]ed into a form that is very small or has no limbs{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1466|nethack=3.6.7}}&mdash;conversely, they can open it immediately if polymorphed into a [[metallivore]] by biting right into the tin.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1463|nethack=3.6.7}}
+When attempting to [[eat]] a tin, the [[hero]] will first try to open it, with the method and amount of time [[occupied]] depending on their current form as well as their [[wield]]ed weapon or tool (if any).{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1457|nethack=3.6.7|comment=<tt>start_tin</tt> function}} Heroes cannot open tins to eat their contents if they are [[polymorph]]ed into a form that is very small or else has no limbs{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1466|nethack=3.6.7}}&mdash;conversely, they can open it immediately if polymorphed into a [[metallivore]] by biting right into the tin.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1463|nethack=3.6.7}}
-If none of the above applies, the tin's [[beatitude]] and the character's current [[wield]]ed weapon or tool determines the amount of time taken to open the tin:
+If none of the above applies, the tin's [[beatitude]] at the time of opening and the hero's current [[wielded]] weapon or tool determines the amount of time taken to open the tin:
-* If the tin is blessed, it takes 0-1 turns to open it, and will always take 0 turns if wielding or [[apply]]ing a blessed [[tin opener]].
+* If the tin is blessed, it takes 0-1 turns to open it, and will always take 0 turns if wielding or applying a blessed [[tin opener]].
 * A tin opener opening a non-blessed tin takes 0-1 turns if the tin opener is uncursed, and 0-2 turns if it cursed.
 * A wielded [[knife]], [[crysknife]], [[stiletto]], [[athame]], or any kind of [[dagger]] will open a tin in 3 turns.
 * A [[pick-axe]] or an [[axe]] (but ''not'' a [[battle-axe]] or [[dwarvish mattock]]) will open a tin in 6 turns.
-Otherwise, the hero will take between 10 and ''10 + 500/([[Str]]+[[Dex]])'' turns to try and open the tin;{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1518|nethack=3.6.7}} if the tin is not opened after 50 turns or more, or else the hero is interrupted, they will stop the attempt.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1444|nethack=3.6.7}} Tins that are cursed at the time of opening (whether randomly generated or made using a cursed tinning kit) have a {{frac|8}} chance (12.5%) of exploding with the same effects as an [[Door#Door traps|exploding door]], destroying the tin. If a hero attempts to open a tin bare-handed while they have [[slippery fingers]], the tin will slip from their grasp and land on their square.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1507|nethack=3.6.7}}
+Otherwise, the hero will take between 10 and {{sfrac|10 + 500|[[Str]] + [[Dex]]}} turns to try and open the tin;{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1518|nethack=3.6.7}} if the tin is not opened after 50 turns or more, or else the hero is interrupted, they will stop the attempt.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1444|nethack=3.6.7}} Tins that are cursed at the time of opening (whether randomly generated or made using a cursed tinning kit) have a {{frac|8}} chance (12.5%) of exploding with the same effects as an [[Door#Door traps|exploding door]], destroying the tin. If a hero attempts to open a tin bare-handed while they have [[slippery fingers]], the tin will slip from their grasp and land on their square.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1507|nethack=3.6.7}}
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 For randomly generated tins, the preparation methods are determined as follows:{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1278|nethack=3.6.7|name="tin_variety"}}
-* Cursed tins of lizard and lichen are always homemade, while other cursed tins are always rotten.
+* Cursed tins of lizard and lichen are always homemade. Other cursed tins are always rotten&mdash;while they will still have a preparation method set, it is overridden by the "rotten" designation, and uncursing a cursed tin makes its contents no longer rotten.
-* Noncursed tins of lizard and lichen are never rotten, and have a {{frac|2|15}} chance (13%) of being homemade and a {{frac|15}} chance (6%) each of being another preparation method
+* Noncursed tins of lizard and lichen are never rotten, and have a {{frac|2|15}} chance (13%) of being homemade and a {{frac|15}} chance (6%) each of being another preparation method.
 * Other uncursed tins have a {{frac|15}} chance (6%) of being each preparation method except rotten or homemade, a {{frac|6|105}} chance (5%) of being homemade, and a {{frac|8|105}} chance (7%) of being rotten.
 * For tins made with a [[tinning kit]], tins of lizard and lichen are always homemade, while tins of other monsters are rotten or homemade with a beatitude-dependent chance: blessed tins are always homemade, cursed tins are always rotten, and uncursed tins have a {{frac|7}} chance of being rotten, with all others being homemade.
-Since the type of preparation is determined only after you consume the tin, there is no way to know it in advance, and tins that stack may end up being of different styles.
+The type of preparation is determined when the tin is created, but is usually only visible when you consume the tin, and tins that stack may end up being of different styles&mdash;the only way to know a tin's preparation style in advance is to generate a non-cursed tin in [[wizard mode]].
-{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|A homemade tin of a monster whose corpse provides less than 50 nutrition will only provide as much as the corpse would.
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|A homemade tin of a monster whose corpse provides less than 50 nutrition will only provide as much as the corpse does.
-Per {{commit|7bf38881189aa129d8e4a215172c279f06310510}}, tins of specific monsters can cost more based on the intrinsics they can provide.
+Per {{commit|7bf38881189aa129d8e4a215172c279f06310510}}, tins of specific monsters can cost more in shops based on the intrinsics they can provide.
-Per {{commit|1c5b2950}}, eating a tin as a metallivore grans 5 extra points of nutrition for eating the metal in the tin itself, and causes the hero to eat its contents without smelling it or prompting the player to potentially decline eating. This means that you might consume meat that [[petrifies]] or [[polymorphs]] you by accident, or gain too much nutrition from a tin of [[spinach]] and choke.}}
+Per {{commit|1c5b2950}}, eating a tin as a metallivore grans 5 extra points of nutrition for eating the metal in the tin itself, and causes the hero to eat its contents without smelling it or prompting the player to potentially decline eating. This means that the hero might consume meat that [[petrifies]] or [[polymorphs]] them by accident, or else gain too much nutrition from a tin of [[spinach]] and choke.}}
 ==Strategy==

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 ==Generation==
-Tins comprise 7.5% of randomly generated [[comestible]]s, and are normally generated 90% uncursed, 5% cursed and 5% blessed.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|863|nethack=3.6.7}} [[Apply]]ing a [[tinning kit]] to a monster's intact [[corpse]] while on its square creates a tin of that monster with the same beatitude as the kit.
+[[Tourist]]s can start with identified tins among their initial stacks of food.{{refsrc|src/u_init.c|144|version=NetHack 3.6.7|Initial inventory for Tourists}}
-Tins that are randomly generated and those placed in a character's starting inventory have a {{frac|6}} chance (16.7%) of containing [[spinach]], while the rest will contain the meat or 'flesh' of a monster that can be randomly generated on the current level{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|852|nethack=3.6.7}} - [[wraith]]s and non-[[undead]] [[corpseless]] monsters are excluded, and undead that are special cased to leave corpses use the meat of their base monster.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|855|nethack=3.6.7}} Tins containing the meat of [[genocide]]d monsters are not randomly generated, and any tins of that monster's meat made before that genocide, or [[wish]]ed for after it, will be empty. Tins of unique monsters can only be made by applying a tinning kit to that monster's corpse, and cannot be wished for at all.
+Tins make up {{frac|3|40}} (7.5%) of all randomly-generated [[comestible]]s, and are normally generated 90% uncursed, 5% cursed and 5% blessed.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|863|nethack=3.6.7}} [[Applying]] a [[tinning kit]] to a monster's intact [[corpse]] while on its square creates a tin of that monster with the same beatitude as the tinning kit.
-[[Tourist]]s can start with identified tins among their initial stacks of food.{{refsrc|src/u_init.c|144|version=NetHack 3.6.7|Initial inventory for Tourists}}
+Tins that are randomly generated and those placed in a character's starting inventory have a {{frac|6}} chance (16.7%) of containing [[spinach]], while the rest will contain the meat or 'flesh' of a monster that can be randomly generated on the current level{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|852|nethack=3.6.7}}&mdash;[[wraith]]s and non-[[undead]] [[corpseless]] monsters are excluded, and undead that are special cased to leave corpses use those corpses for the tinned meat.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|855|nethack=3.6.7}} Tins containing the meat of [[genocided]] monsters will not be randomly generated: any tins of that monster's meat made before that genocide, or else [[wish]]ed for after it, will be empty upon opening. Tins of unique monsters can only be made by applying a tinning kit to that monster's corpse, and cannot be wished for at all.
-General [[store]]s, delicatessens and health food stores can sell tins - health food stores will always sell [[#Eating a tin|tins with specific preparation methods]] that contain either spinach or a vegetarian monster, and if such a tin's initial contents are not vegetarian, it will be converted to spinach.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1255|nethack=3.6.7}}
+General [[store]]s, delicatessens and health food stores can sell tins&mdash;health food stores will always sell [[#Eating a tin|tins with specific preparation methods]] that contain either spinach or a vegetarian monster, and if the initial contents of a health food store's tin is not vegetarian, it will be converted to spinach.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1255|nethack=3.6.7}}
 ==Description==
-When attempting to [[eat]] a tin, the [[hero]] will first try to open it, with the method and amount of time [[occupied]] depending on their current form as well as their [[wield]]ed weapon or tool (if any).{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1457|nethack=3.6.7|comment=<tt>start_tin</tt> function}} Heroes cannot open tins to eat their contents if they are [[polymorph]]ed into a form that is very small or has no limbs{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1466|nethack=3.6.7}} - conversely, they can open it immediately if polymorphed into a [[metallivore]] by biting right into the tin, which is treated as though they opened the tin immediately.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1463|nethack=3.6.7}}
+When attempting to [[eat]] a tin, the [[hero]] will first try to open it, with the method and amount of time [[occupied]] depending on their current form as well as their [[wield]]ed weapon or tool (if any).{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1457|nethack=3.6.7|comment=<tt>start_tin</tt> function}} Heroes cannot open tins to eat their contents if they are [[polymorph]]ed into a form that is very small or has no limbs{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1466|nethack=3.6.7}}&mdash;conversely, they can open it immediately if polymorphed into a [[metallivore]] by biting right into the tin.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1463|nethack=3.6.7}}
 If none of the above applies, the tin's [[beatitude]] and the character's current [[wield]]ed weapon or tool determines the amount of time taken to open the tin:
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 * A [[pick-axe]] or an [[axe]] (but ''not'' a [[battle-axe]] or [[dwarvish mattock]]) will open a tin in 6 turns.
-Otherwise, the hero will take between 10 and ''10 + 500/([[Str]]+[[Dex]])'' turns to try and open the tin{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1518|nethack=3.6.7}} - if the tin is not opened after 50 turns or more, or else the hero is interrupted, they will stop the attempt.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1444|nethack=3.6.7}} Tins that are cursed (whether randomly generated or made using a cursed tinning kit) at the time of opening have a {{frac|8}} chance (12.5%) of exploding with the same effects as an [[Door#Door traps|exploding door]], destroying the tin. If a character attempts to open a tin bare-handed while they have [[slippery fingers]], the tin will slip from their grasp and land on their square.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1507|nethack=3.6.7}}
+Otherwise, the hero will take between 10 and ''10 + 500/([[Str]]+[[Dex]])'' turns to try and open the tin;{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1518|nethack=3.6.7}} if the tin is not opened after 50 turns or more, or else the hero is interrupted, they will stop the attempt.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1444|nethack=3.6.7}} Tins that are cursed at the time of opening (whether randomly generated or made using a cursed tinning kit) have a {{frac|8}} chance (12.5%) of exploding with the same effects as an [[Door#Door traps|exploding door]], destroying the tin. If a hero attempts to open a tin bare-handed while they have [[slippery fingers]], the tin will slip from their grasp and land on their square.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1507|nethack=3.6.7}}
 ===Appearance===