Tinning kit - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* Generation */ tweaks

2026-03-08T21:42:55Z

‎Generation: tweaks

Umbire the Phantom: copyedit

2026-01-10T12:24:19Z

copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: /* Description */ upcoming

2025-10-07T19:56:39Z

‎Description: upcoming

Umbire the Phantom: /* Role-specific scenarios */ move

2025-07-10T13:52:36Z

‎Role-specific scenarios: move

Tomsod: /* Role-specific scenarios */ upcoming nutrition

2025-05-26T08:54:50Z

‎Role-specific scenarios: upcoming nutrition

Umbire the Phantom: /* SlashTHEM */ potholes et. al.

2024-12-16T00:23:44Z

‎SlashTHEM: potholes et. al.

Umbire the Phantom: /* dNetHack */ snip this actually - the (upcoming) article is probably the best place the go into what the potions do

2024-12-11T08:27:00Z

‎dNetHack: snip this actually - the (upcoming) article is probably the best place the go into what the potions do

Umbire the Phantom: ditto + general variant pass

2024-12-09T23:51:45Z

ditto + general variant pass

Umbire the Phantom: Undo revision 179341 by MrSurvivor1997 (talk) chargeable tools =/= magical tools necessarily

2024-11-23T19:00:20Z

Undo revision 179341 by MrSurvivor1997 (talk) chargeable tools =/= magical tools necessarily

MrSurvivor1997: In fairness, the tinning kit is powered by magic.

2024-11-22T19:03:30Z

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 [[Archaeologist]]s start the game with an uncursed tinning kit.{{refsrc|src/u_init.c|36|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
-Tinning kits make up {{frac|3|200}} (1.5%) of all tools randomly generated on the ground, in general [[shop]]s or as [[death drop]]s. Hardware stores can also stock tinning kits.
+Tinning kits make up {{frac|3|200}} (1.5%) of all tools that are randomly generated on the ground, in general [[shop]]s or as [[death drop]]s. Hardware stores can also stock tinning kits.
-Tinning kits are generated uncursed with the possible exceptions of [[bones]] levels and the items generated on some early [[trap]]s. Tinning kits are created with 30-99 charges.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|932-L935|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
+Tinning kits are generated uncursed, with the possible exceptions of [[bones]] levels and the items generated on some early [[trap]]s. Tinning kits are created with 30-99 charges.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|932-L935|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
 ==Description==

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+A '''tinning kit''' is a type of [[tool]] that appears in ''[[NetHack]]''. It is a non-magical [[chargeable]] tool that is made of [[iron]].
 ==Generation==
 [[Archaeologist]]s start the game with an uncursed tinning kit.{{refsrc|src/u_init.c|36|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
-All tinning kits are generated uncursed with the exception of [[bones]] levels and the potentially cursed items generated on some early [[trap]]s, and contain 30 to 99 charges.
+Tinning kits make up {{frac|3|200}} (1.5%) of all tools randomly generated on the ground, in general [[shop]]s or as [[death drop]]s. Hardware stores can also stock tinning kits.
 ==Description==
-[[Apply]]ing a tinning kit to an intact [[corpse]] in the [[hero]]'s inventory or on their square will create a [[tin]] of that monster, which uses up a charge and removes the corpse&mdash;the resulting tin is added to the hero's inventory, or placed on the ground if there is no room. A hero can only tin a corpse that is on the floor while atop a [[steed]] if they have at least Basic skill in riding.
+[[Applying]] a charged tinning kit to an intact [[corpse]] in the [[hero]]'s inventory or on their square will create a [[tin]] of that monster, which uses up a charge and removes the corpse&mdash;the resulting tin is added to the hero's inventory, or placed on the ground if there is no room. A hero can only tin a corpse that is on the floor while atop a [[steed]] if they have at least Basic skill in riding.
-The corpse cannot be partially-eaten, and must give at least one point of nutrition to be tinnable (i.e. [[wraith]]s cannot be tinned).{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1852|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1878|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Trying to tin a [[cockatrice]] or chickatrice without gloves will instantly [[stoning|turn you to stone]] unless you have stoning resistance or are a [[golem]].{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1856|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Any attempt to tin the [[Riders]] ([[Death (monster)|Death]], [[Famine]] or [[Pestilence]]) will print a unique message and cause them to immediately revive.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1871|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Tinning any corpse owned by a [[shopkeeper]] will incur a charge for it.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1884|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
+The corpse cannot be partially-eaten, and must give at least one point of nutrition to be tinnable (i.e. [[wraith]]s cannot be tinned).{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1852|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1878|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Trying to tin a [[cockatrice]] or chickatrice without gloves will instantly [[stoning|turn you to stone]] unless you have stoning resistance or are a [[golem]].{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1856|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Any attempt to tin the [[Riders]] ([[Death (monster)|Death]], [[Famine]] or [[Pestilence]]) will print a unique message and cause them to immediately revive.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1871|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Tinning any corpse owned by a [[shopkeeper]] will cause them to bill the hero for that corpse.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1884|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
 Tins made from a tinning kit always have the same [[beatitude]] as the tinning kit.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|1887|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Blessed tins are always homemade, while cursed tins are always rotten; uncursed tins are {{frac|6|7}} homemade, with the remaining tins being rotten, and the preparation style is determined when opening the tin. Homemade tins of [[foo]] only have 50 nutrition, while rotten tins give none and render you [[nauseous]], eventually causing you to lose 50 nutrition by vomiting unless cured (though you still gain intrinsics). If you are [[fumbling]] or there is no space in open inventory, the tin will appear on the floor.
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 Many unsafe corpses also do not cause their usual damage as tins, making monsters from the various [[zombie]]s to [[killer bee]]s to [[acid blob]]s safe for consumption. However, corpses that [[stoning|turn you to stone]], [[sliming|turn you to slime]], [[stun]] you, or cause you to [[hallucinate]] will still have the same effect when tinned. The rules for [[cannibalism]] also apply to tins, as does the rule for eating domestic [[cat]] or [[dog]] meat - this has notable effects on at least a couple of strategies involving tins, also discussed further below.
-While tinning kits can be [[Charging#Tinning kit|recharged indefinitely]], charging is usually unnecessary outside of heavy use or low initial charges. It is not uncommon for players to tin named monsters and keep them as trophies - a tin of Medusa or Wizard of Yendor meat is a fun item to potentially ascend with.
+While tinning kits can be recharged indefinitely, charging is usually unnecessary outside of heavy use or low initial charges. It is not uncommon for players to tin named monsters and keep them as trophies&mdash;a tin of Medusa or Wizard of Yendor meat is a fun item to potentially ascend with.
 ===Tinning for emergencies===
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 In [[SLASH'EM]], one of the Chambers of Deception within the [[Lawful Quest]], the Chamber of Dragon Meat, contains a cursed tinning kit with no charges among a pile of [[dragon]] corpses.
-A means of [[charging]] and [[curse removal]] or a tinning kit of your own is usually necessary to get the most out of the various dragon corpses within before they rot away. Be sure you have one of these before entering the quest, and be prepared to potentially fight a live dragon: it is possible (albeit rare) for one of the corpses to randomly revive.
+A means of charging and [[curse removal]] or a tinning kit of your own is usually necessary to get the most out of the various dragon corpses within before they rot away. Be sure you have one of these before entering the quest, and be prepared to potentially fight a live dragon: it is possible (albeit rare) for one of the corpses to randomly revive.
 ===dNetHack===

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	[[Sickness#Food poisoning\|Aged or tainted]] corpses become edible when tinned, with the rot removed by the tinning process. [[Poison]]ous corpses, such as those of [[killer bee]]s, are similarly rendered safe to eat. [[Acidic]] corpses also do not cause damage if eaten from a tin—the reason for this is that "stomach acid" is solely handled by the <code>eatcorpse</code> function, which is not called when eating a tin.{{reffunc\|eat.c\|cprefx}}{{reffunc\|eat.c\|eatcorpse}}{{refsrc\|src/eat.c\|1368\|version=NetHack 3.6.7\|comment=Eating a tin calls <code>cprefx</code>, but not <code>eatcorpse</code> on line 1644, where stomach acid is handled.}}<!--Credit to Killian on the talk page.-->		[[Sickness#Food poisoning\|Aged or tainted]] corpses become edible when tinned, with the rot removed by the tinning process. [[Poison]]ous corpses, such as those of [[killer bee]]s, are similarly rendered safe to eat. [[Acidic]] corpses also do not cause damage if eaten from a tin—the reason for this is that "stomach acid" is solely handled by the <code>eatcorpse</code> function, which is not called when eating a tin.{{reffunc\|eat.c\|cprefx}}{{reffunc\|eat.c\|eatcorpse}}{{refsrc\|src/eat.c\|1368\|version=NetHack 3.6.7\|comment=Eating a tin calls <code>cprefx</code>, but not <code>eatcorpse</code> on line 1644, where stomach acid is handled.}}<!--Credit to Killian on the talk page.-->
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		+	{{upcoming\|NetHack 3.7.0\|Per {{commit\|39bd259bd3ce35662dfc6b9996aa268a28289056}}, homemade tins of monsters will grant the lower nutrition value between 50 and that monster's normal nutrition value, e.g. a homemade tin of killer bee meat will always give 5 nutrition.}}

	==Strategy==		==Strategy==

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 ===Role-specific scenarios===
 As an Archaeologist, extra food is sometimes scarce, and it may be worth using the starting tinning kit on small monsters to raise their nutrition yield and gain early intrinsics: [[rat]]s, [[rock mole]]s, [[newt]]s and other early-game {{mcsl|:}}, non-yellow [[mold]]s, [[ants]], and other [[insect]]s all have lower nutrition yield than a tin of homemade monster. This can help preserve your starting supply of permafood until more is secured, with the only risk coming from the tins producing rotten food (which can be alleviated by blessing the kit).
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 [[Valkyrie]]s and Cavemen will appreciate having a tinning kit when stuffing themselves with giant meat from their respective quest branches, while Priests and Archaeologists can use them to tin and safely eat the corpses of undead giants. Barbarians can also use tinning kits during their quest to safely dispose of the many trolls they face along the way.
 ==History==

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	===Role-specific scenarios===		===Role-specific scenarios===
		+	{{upcoming\|NetHack 3.7.0\|Tinning a monster with low nutrition value no longer raises it to 50, so Archaeologists cannot save on food this way.}}
	As an Archaeologist, extra food is sometimes scarce, and it may be worth using the starting tinning kit on small monsters to raise their nutrition yield and gain early intrinsics: [[rat]]s, [[rock mole]]s, [[newt]]s and other early-game {{mcsl\|:}}, non-yellow [[mold]]s, [[ants]], and other [[insect]]s all have lower nutrition yield than a tin of homemade monster. This can help preserve your starting supply of permafood until more is secured, with the only risk coming from the tins producing rotten food (which can be alleviated by blessing the kit).		As an Archaeologist, extra food is sometimes scarce, and it may be worth using the starting tinning kit on small monsters to raise their nutrition yield and gain early intrinsics: [[rat]]s, [[rock mole]]s, [[newt]]s and other early-game {{mcsl\|:}}, non-yellow [[mold]]s, [[ants]], and other [[insect]]s all have lower nutrition yield than a tin of homemade monster. This can help preserve your starting supply of permafood until more is secured, with the only risk coming from the tins producing rotten food (which can be alleviated by blessing the kit).

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 ===SlashTHEM===
-In [[SlashTHEM]], in addition to SLASH'EM details, the [[Undertaker]] role starts each game with a tinning kit. [[Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM)|vampire]], [[Ghoul (starting race)|ghoul]] and incantifier heroes can use tinning kits to produce [[Potion of blood (SLASH'EM)|potions of blood]].
+In [[SlashTHEM]], in addition to SLASH'EM details, the [[Undertaker]] role starts each game with a tinning kit. [[Vampire (starting race in SlashTHEM)|Vampire]], [[Ghoul (starting race)|ghoul]] and incantifier heroes can use tinning kits to produce [[Potion of blood (SlashTHEM)|potions of blood]].
 The [[Undertaker quest]] has the same layout as the Lawful Quest, including the cursed and uncharged tinning kit.

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 ===dNetHack===
-In [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], using a tinning kit to tin the corpse of a monster that has blood will create a [[Potion of blood (dNetHack)|potion of that monster's blood]] alongside the tin. [[Vampire (starting race in dNetHack)|Vampire]] and [[Incantifier (starting race)|incantifier]] heroes get the most out of created potions of blood this way: incantifiers in particular are only capable of eating meat from [[newt]]s and [[aoa]], and both races can gain intrinsics from monster blood and use acidic blood to cure stoning. Other races can simply dilute the potions for {{! of|water}}.
+In [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], using a tinning kit to tin the corpse of a monster that has blood will create a [[Potion of blood (dNetHack)|potion of that monster's blood]] alongside the tin.
-[[Anachrononaut]]s can only eat prepared food, making tinning kits absolutely necessary for the consumption of corpses and blood&mdash;vampiric and [[Elf (starting race)|elven]] Anachrononauts start the game with one, and the [[Anachrononaut quest]] has a tinning kit in each of the non-filler levels.
+[[Anachrononaut]]s can only eat prepared food, making tinning kits absolutely necessary for the consumption of corpses and blood&mdash;vampiric and [[Elf (starting race)|elven]] Anachrononauts start the game with one, and the [[Anachrononaut quest]] has a tinning kit on each of the non-filler levels.
 ===EvilHack===

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 ==Strategy==
 {{main|Tin#Eating a tin}}
-Corpses will rot away after some time and may be unsafe or too large for you to eat quickly; tinning circumvents these problems by preserving the meat for later consumption. Tins of corpses will provide the same [[intrinsic]] as the corpse itself, but with a set amount of nutrition as opposed to what the corpse would have provided. Tinning can therefore be a vital method to avoid becoming [[satiated]] too quickly when chewing through a pile of large desirable corpses, such as those of [[dragon]]s or [[giant (monster)|giants]]. Tinning kits are also a common form of "backup" for intrinsic properties that you may want later - see the [[#Tinning for emergencies|"Tinning for emergencies" section]] below.
+Corpses will rot away after some time and may be unsafe or too large for you to eat quickly; tinning circumvents these problems by preserving the meat for later consumption. Tins of corpses will provide the same [[intrinsic]] as the corpse itself, but with a set amount of nutrition as opposed to what the corpse would have provided. Tinning can therefore be a vital method to avoid becoming [[satiated]] too quickly when chewing through a pile of large desirable corpses, such as those of [[giant (monster)|giants]]. Tinning kits are also a common form of "backup" for intrinsic properties that you may want later - see the [[#Tinning for emergencies|"Tinning for emergencies" section]] below.
 Many unsafe corpses also do not cause their usual damage as tins, making monsters from the various [[zombie]]s to [[killer bee]]s to [[acid blob]]s safe for consumption. However, corpses that [[stoning|turn you to stone]], [[sliming|turn you to slime]], [[stun]] you, or cause you to [[hallucinate]] will still have the same effect when tinned. The rules for [[cannibalism]] also apply to tins, as does the rule for eating domestic [[cat]] or [[dog]] meat - this has notable effects on at least a couple of strategies involving tins, also discussed further below.
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 ==Variants==
 ===SLASH'EM===
-In [[SLASH'EM]], one of the Chambers of Deception within the [[Lawful Quest]], the Chamber of Dragon Meat, contains a cursed tinning kit with no charges. A means of [[charging]] (and preferably [[curse removal]]), or else your own tinning kit, is usually necessary to get the most out of the various dragon corpses within before they rot away. Be sure you have one of these before entering the quest, and be prepared to potentially fight a live dragon: it is possible (albeit rare) for one of the corpses to randomly revive.
+In [[SLASH'EM]], one of the Chambers of Deception within the [[Lawful Quest]], the Chamber of Dragon Meat, contains a cursed tinning kit with no charges among a pile of [[dragon]] corpses.
 ===dNetHack===
-In [[dNetHack]], all players are capable of making potions of blood via tinning kits, provided the corpse in question is from a monster that has blood. Player [[Vampire (starting race in dNetHack)|vampires]] and [[Incantifier (dNetHack starting race)|incantifiers]] in particular get the most out of generating potions of blood this way - incantifiers in particular are only capable of eating meat from [[newt]]s and [[aoa]], and vampires can drink acidic blood in lieu of eating lizard corpses to cure stoning; both races can also gain intrinsics from monster blood. Other races can simply dilute the potions for water.
+In [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], using a tinning kit to tin the corpse of a monster that has blood will create a [[Potion of blood (dNetHack)|potion of that monster's blood]] alongside the tin. [[Vampire (starting race in dNetHack)|Vampire]] and [[Incantifier (starting race)|incantifier]] heroes get the most out of created potions of blood this way: incantifiers in particular are only capable of eating meat from [[newt]]s and [[aoa]], and both races can gain intrinsics from monster blood and use acidic blood to cure stoning. Other races can simply dilute the potions for {{! of|water}}.
-[[Anachrononaut]]s can only eat prepared food, making tinning kits absolutely necessary for the consumption of corpses and blood - vampiric and [[Elf (starting race)|elven]] Anachrononauts start the game with one, and the [[Anachrononaut quest]] has a tinning kit in each of the non-filler levels.
+[[Anachrononaut]]s can only eat prepared food, making tinning kits absolutely necessary for the consumption of corpses and blood&mdash;vampiric and [[Elf (starting race)|elven]] Anachrononauts start the game with one, and the [[Anachrononaut quest]] has a tinning kit in each of the non-filler levels.
 ===EvilHack===
-In [[EvilHack]], all player [[Hobbit (starting race)|hobbits]] start with an identified tinning kit, unless they are Archeologists (who start with one regardless) or [[Convict]]s. Tinned corpses also give the same amount of partial intrinsic resistance as the raw corpse.
+In [[EvilHack]], all [[Hobbit (starting race)|hobbit]] heroes start with an identified tinning kit unless they are Archeologists (who start with one regardless) or [[Convict]]s. Tinned corpses also give the same amount of [[Partial intrinsic|partial resistance properties]] as the raw corpse.
 ===SlashTHEM===
-In [[SlashTHEM]], the [[Undertaker]] role starts with a tinning kit. Player [[Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM)|vampires]], [[Ghoul (starting race)|ghouls]] and [[incantifier]]s can use tinning kits to produce [[potion of blood|potions of blood]].
+In [[SlashTHEM]], in addition to SLASH'EM details, the [[Undertaker]] role starts each game with a tinning kit. [[Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM)|vampire]], [[Ghoul (starting race)|ghoul]] and incantifier heroes can use tinning kits to produce [[Potion of blood (SLASH'EM)|potions of blood]].
-SlashTHEM also retains the layout of the Lawful Quest (and thus the cursed tinning kit found within).
+The [[Undertaker quest]] has the same layout as the Lawful Quest, including the cursed and uncharged tinning kit.
 ==References==
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-{{nethack-366}}
+{{nethack-367}}
 [[Category:Tools]]

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 *It may optionally contain salt, a frying pan, and/or some other implement for pre-cooking the meat.
-Assuming the above is true, tinning a corpse would require a lot of actions to be taken in the length of a single turn, which is already a fairly abstract unit (and flexible in terms of measure); attempts to work this out will yield different results based on the actions (movement, combat, etc.) used as a benchmark. Of course, this is purely intellectual exercise, and it never hurts to remember that [[NetHack is not real life]], and NetHack’s tinning kit is [[Scroll of charging|powered by magic]].
+Assuming the above is true, tinning a corpse would require a lot of actions to be taken in the length of a single turn, which is already a fairly abstract unit (and flexible in terms of measure); attempts to work this out will yield different results based on the actions (movement, combat, etc.) used as a benchmark. Of course, this is purely intellectual exercise, and it never hurts to remember that [[NetHack is not real life]].
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