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Ais523: /* Game length */ overflowed games have happened

2024-12-05T03:48:19Z

‎Game length: overflowed games have happened

Furey: Add . This article has a reference now.

2024-06-06T13:43:16Z

Add <references/>. This article has a reference now.

Furey: /* Game length */ oops, i pulled score from the wrong part of the screendump on fstd game

2024-06-06T12:47:42Z

‎Game length: oops, i pulled score from the wrong part of the screendump on fstd game

Furey: /* Game length */ fstd is the new champion on NAO: 49M turns

2024-06-06T12:35:30Z

‎Game length: fstd is the new champion on NAO: 49M turns

Furey: /* Game length */ Longest turncount game is as of April 2024

2024-04-28T20:33:25Z

‎Game length: Longest turncount game is as of April 2024

Furey: Longest game on record: 1.8M turns -> 48M turns.

2023-08-25T17:30:39Z

Longest game on record: 1.8M turns -> 48M turns.

Kontaurus: Created and inserted a frequency distribution of game length, sampled from NAO. XML errors on NAO prevented sampling of about 400 ascensions, but this contributor assumed there was no relationship between this error and the ascension's turn count..

2022-10-20T19:48:41Z

Created and inserted a frequency distribution of game length, sampled from NAO. XML errors on NAO prevented sampling of about 400 ascensions, but this contributor assumed there was no relationship between this error and the ascension's turn count..

Umbire the Phantom at 02:42, 13 July 2021

2021-07-13T02:42:27Z

Ardub23: Clearer, more concise hatnote

2021-07-12T05:02:39Z

Clearer, more concise hatnote

Umbire the Phantom: /* Overflow */

2021-06-02T18:48:11Z

‎Overflow

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 The term game length usually refers to the number of turns taken to ascend (or meet some other fate). The turns, or time, taken is highly dependent on your style of play. You may be able to ascend comfortably in 40,000 turns, or you may struggle to gather an [[ascension kit]] before 80,000 turns.
-Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. As of June 2024, the longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is a 49M turn game by fstd with a score over 20 billion.<ref>https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/f/fstd/dumplog/1712652809.nh367.txt</ref>
+Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. As of June 2024, the longest game on record with a positive turn count at [[nethack.alt.org]] is a 49M turn game by fstd with a score over 20 billion.<ref>https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/f/fstd/dumplog/1712652809.nh367.txt</ref> However, there have been games in older versions which used pasted sequences of commands to set up a loop of actions that allowed the character to survive indefinitely, allowing for arbitrarily high turn counts that overflowed the turn counter, e.g. [https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Khaos/1291644901.nh343.txt this "-2147483648"-turn game] of [[NetHack 3.4.3]], which actually lasted +2147483648 turns – such games cause problems in practice due to using a large amount of CPU time, often being (deliberately or accidentally) killed by server administrators due to looking like they are stuck in an infinite loop (which in a sense, they are).
 [[Image:Turncounts.png|thumb|none|left|550px|alt=Histogram showing frequency distribution of final turn counts (game length) of a sample of top ascensions on NAO, taken 18 October 2022.|Distribution of game lengths in vanilla NetHack 3.6.2-3.6.6 on NAO]]

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 {{message|The dungeon capitulates.}}}}
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 The term game length usually refers to the number of turns taken to ascend (or meet some other fate). The turns, or time, taken is highly dependent on your style of play. You may be able to ascend comfortably in 40,000 turns, or you may struggle to gather an [[ascension kit]] before 80,000 turns.
-Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. As of June 2024, the longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is a 49M turn game by fstd with a score over 10 billion.<ref>https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/f/fstd/dumplog/1712652809.nh367.txt</ref>
+Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. As of June 2024, the longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is a 49M turn game by fstd with a score over 20 billion.<ref>https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/f/fstd/dumplog/1712652809.nh367.txt</ref>
 [[Image:Turncounts.png|thumb|none|left|550px|alt=Histogram showing frequency distribution of final turn counts (game length) of a sample of top ascensions on NAO, taken 18 October 2022.|Distribution of game lengths in vanilla NetHack 3.6.2-3.6.6 on NAO]]

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 The term game length usually refers to the number of turns taken to ascend (or meet some other fate). The turns, or time, taken is highly dependent on your style of play. You may be able to ascend comfortably in 40,000 turns, or you may struggle to gather an [[ascension kit]] before 80,000 turns.
-Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. As of April 2024, the longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is [[yesu]]'s 48M turn game with a score over 9 billion.
+Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. As of June 2024, the longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is a 49M turn game by fstd with a score over 10 billion.<ref>https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/f/fstd/dumplog/1712652809.nh367.txt</ref>
 [[Image:Turncounts.png|thumb|none|left|550px|alt=Histogram showing frequency distribution of final turn counts (game length) of a sample of top ascensions on NAO, taken 18 October 2022.|Distribution of game lengths in vanilla NetHack 3.6.2-3.6.6 on NAO]]

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 The term game length usually refers to the number of turns taken to ascend (or meet some other fate). The turns, or time, taken is highly dependent on your style of play. You may be able to ascend comfortably in 40,000 turns, or you may struggle to gather an [[ascension kit]] before 80,000 turns.
-Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. The longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is [[yesu]]'s 48M turn game with a score over 9 billion.
+Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. As of April 2024, the longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is [[yesu]]'s 48M turn game with a score over 9 billion.
 [[Image:Turncounts.png|thumb|none|left|550px|alt=Histogram showing frequency distribution of final turn counts (game length) of a sample of top ascensions on NAO, taken 18 October 2022.|Distribution of game lengths in vanilla NetHack 3.6.2-3.6.6 on NAO]]

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	Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions\|2135 turns]]. The longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is [[DeathOnAStick]]'s 1.8M turn [[rock]]-[[polypiling]] epic.		Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions\|2135 turns]]. The longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is [[DeathOnAStick]]'s 1.8M turn [[rock]]-[[polypiling]] epic.
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		+	[[Image:Turncounts.png\|thumb\|none\|left\|550px\|alt=Histogram showing frequency distribution of final turn counts (game length) of a sample of top ascensions on NAO, taken 18 October 2022.\|Distribution of game lengths in vanilla NetHack 3.6.2-3.6.6 on NAO]]

	It is always possible to [[quit]] or [[escape]] in one turn, but it is also actually possible to die in one turn (for example, by immediately stepping onto a trap in the first room). This results in the message "[[Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 zorkmids.]]"		It is always possible to [[quit]] or [[escape]] in one turn, but it is also actually possible to die in one turn (for example, by immediately stepping onto a trap in the first room). This results in the message "[[Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 zorkmids.]]"

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 {{otheruses|the unit of in-game time|the #turn command|Turn undead}}
-The '''turn''' counter is displayed in the bottom right corner, provided that the time [[option]] is turned on. You start on turn one, and as a rule, everything you do increments the counter. You may occasionally get a "free" turn if you are [[very fast]], due to the [[speed system]].
+In ''[[NetHack]]'', the '''turn''' counter is displayed in the bottom right corner, provided that the time [[option]] is turned on. You start on turn one, and as a rule everything you do increments the counter. You may occasionally get a "free" turn if you are [[very fast]], due to the [[speed system]].
-Most operations relating to the user interface do not consume turns: checking your [[inventory]] (including seeing what's inside a [[container]]), changing the [[options]], using the [[far look]] command, accessing the [[encyclopedia]], using #[[enhance]], saving and restoring, and checking the message buffer ({{kbd|ctrl|p}}) are all free.
+Most operations relating to the user interface do not consume turns: checking your [[inventory]] (including seeing what's inside a [[container]]), changing the [[options]], using the [[far look]] command, accessing the [[encyclopedia]], using #[[enhance]], saving and restoring, and checking the message buffer ({{kbd|ctrl|p}}) are all free. Quivering projectiles ({{kbd|Q}}) is also free.
-Quivering projectiles ({{kbd|Q}}) is also free.
+Using the look command ({{kbd|:}}) is usually free, but will consume one turn if you are [[blind]]. You also get one free application of a [[stethoscope]] per turn, and use up a turn if you apply it again consecutively.
 ==Game length==
 The term game length usually refers to the number of turns taken to ascend (or meet some other fate). The turns, or time, taken is highly dependent on your style of play. You may be able to ascend comfortably in 40,000 turns, or you may struggle to gather an [[ascension kit]] before 80,000 turns.
-Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. The longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is [[DeathOnAStick]]'s 1.8M turn [[rock]] [[polypiling]] epic.
+Any ascension under 30,000 is widely considered fast, and anything under 20,000 turns is very fast. A small handful of players are able to ascend in under 15,000, while the world record is a mere [[Notable ascensions|2135 turns]]. The longest game on record at [[nethack.alt.org]] is [[DeathOnAStick]]'s 1.8M turn [[rock]]-[[polypiling]] epic.
-It is always possible to [[quit]] or [[escape]] in one turn, but it is actually possible to die in one turn too (for example, by immediately stepping onto a trap in the first room). You are told "[[Do not pass go.  Do not collect 200 zorkmids.]]"
+It is always possible to [[quit]] or [[escape]] in one turn, but it is also actually possible to die in one turn (for example, by immediately stepping onto a trap in the first room). This results in the message "[[Do not pass go.  Do not collect 200 zorkmids.]]"
 A [[1-turn ascension]] is possible in [[wizard mode]].
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 {{message|The dungeon capitulates.}}}}
-{{nethack-343}}
+{{nethack-366}}
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−	{{otheruses\|the ~~general~~ game ~~concept of a "turn"~~\|the ~~supernatural ability to "~~turn ~~undead"~~\|Turn undead}}	+	{{otheruses\|the unit of in-game time\|the #turn command\|Turn undead}}

	The '''turn''' counter is displayed in the bottom right corner, provided that the time [[option]] is turned on. You start on turn one, and as a rule, everything you do increments the counter. You may occasionally get a "free" turn if you are [[very fast]], due to the [[speed system]].		The '''turn''' counter is displayed in the bottom right corner, provided that the time [[option]] is turned on. You start on turn one, and as a rule, everything you do increments the counter. You may occasionally get a "free" turn if you are [[very fast]], due to the [[speed system]].

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 {{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|For games running over 100000 turns, prayer timeout increases by 1 every 100 turns, so prayer will eventually fail and you will starve to death. This was implemented to prevent denial-of-service attacks against [[public server]]s.
-If a game runs over one billion turns, it ends immediately in an escape: {{message|The dungeon capitulates.}}}}
+If a game runs over one billion turns, it ends immediately in an escape:
 {{nethack-343}}
 [[Category:User interface]]