Twoweapon - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* Variants */ copyedit

2025-03-04T18:29:53Z

‎Variants: copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: /* Two-weapon combat while polymorphed */ rename, copyedit

2025-03-04T17:57:57Z

‎Two-weapon combat while polymorphed: rename, copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: /* dNetHack / copyedit, dnh

2025-03-04T17:22:40Z

‎dNetHack: copyedit, *dnh

Umbire the Phantom: pothole, earmark for later

2024-12-28T22:36:06Z

pothole, earmark for later

Umbire the Phantom: lede

2024-04-16T04:00:54Z

lede

Umbire the Phantom: /* dNetHack */ pothole

2024-04-16T03:58:29Z

‎dNetHack: pothole

Umbire the Phantom: potholes

2024-03-10T16:53:15Z

potholes

Umbire the Phantom: style guide on variant templates

2024-01-20T19:17:27Z

style guide on variant templates

Noisytoot: redwood ents

2024-01-20T16:05:13Z

redwood ents

Noisytoot: Fix table

2024-01-20T15:59:25Z

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-== Variants ==
+==Variants==
-=== SLASH'EM ===
+===SLASH'EM===
-For [[SLASH'EM]] players, the commands to activate the '''two-handed combat''' skill are '''#twoweapon''' or '''#2weapon'''. In SLASH'EM, artifacts do not refuse to be two weaponed in a secondary position, and two artifacts can be wielded at once (although, this forfeits the off-hand artifact's on-wield abilities). This introduces some interesting weapon combinations.
+In [[SLASH'EM]], the commands to activate the '''two-handed combat''' skill are '''#twoweapon''' or '''#2weapon'''.
-Only certain roles and certain races can fight two-handed. Of the game's many races, only [[human (starting race)|humans]], [[Elf (starting race)|elves]] and [[Dwarf (starting race)|dwarves]] can twoweapon. Annoyingly, other races might still see "two-handed combat" in their #[[enhance]] screen even though they cannot use it. Attempting to activate two-handed combat produces the message, "<Your race> <Your role> aren't able to use two weapons at once."{{refsrc|wield.c|506|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}{{refsrc|mondata.h|123|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
+SLASH'EM implements several two-weapon related changes:
-SLASH'EM roles that can twoweapon, in addition to those in vanilla NetHack, are [[Flame Mage]], [[Ice Mage]], and [[Yeoman]]. All can reach Skilled proficiency. [[Duergar]]s and [[Bearded devil (SLASH'EM)|bearded devils]] can also twoweapon.
+* Artifacts will not prevent the hero from two-weaponing when in the offhand, and two-weapon combat with two artifacts is possible, though only the primary weapon's on-wield properties are applied.
-=== SporkHack ===
+Of the several new monsters added to SLASH'EM, only the [[Duergar (SLASH'EM)|duergar]] and [[Bearded devil (SLASH'EM)|bearded devil]] are valid forms for polymorph that can also perform two-weapon combat.
-Wielding a too-heavy weapon in your off hand leads to heavy to-hit penalties, on the order of &minus;20. This is much more significant than it would be in vanilla NetHack since SporkHack has altered the to-hit mechanics and given late-game monsters better [[armor class]].
+===SporkHack===
-This seriously alters weapon selection, especially for classes like [[Archaeologist]]s and [[Barbarian]]s. Particularly, [[Rogue]]s and [[Samurai]] will now be the only roles likely to wield an off-hand [[silver saber]], which was formerly among the strongest off-hand choices. To compensate somewhat, a few new weapons including the [[silver short sword]] have been added.
+At Basic or lower skill, the hero can only use [[dagger]]s, [[knives]] or any weapon that has a maximum weight of 10 aum in the offhand; at Skilled, the hero can off-hand [[mace]]s, [[short sword]]s, [[spear]]s, and any weapon weighing at most 20 aum, or less, and at expert, [[long sword]]s, [[broadsword]]s, and [[saber]]s become available. Attempting to perform two-weapon combat with a weapon that is too heavy for the off-hand incurs a -20 to-hit penalty.
 ===dNetHack===
-In [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], all roles and races are capable of twoweaponing, as is any monster that has an offhand attack - this also applies to polymorph forms.
+In [[dNetHack]], all roles and races are capable of twoweaponing, as is any monster that has a weapon attack ''and'' a specified offhand weapon attack (which extends to heroes polymorphed into those monsters).
 Two-weapon combat has off-hand weight restrictions similar to those of SporkHack, with a -1 to-hit penalty per each unit of weight over the limit (minimum -5, maximum -40) for overweight offhand weapons, and a -1 damage penalty per every 2 units of weight over the limit (maximum -10). Cavemen get a +1 size bonus for the purposes of offhand weight limits, as do any heroes that bind [[Ymir]], and both of these bonuses stack. The exact weight limits used are shown in the table below:
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 ===notdNetHack===
-In notdNetHack, in addition to all dNetHack changes, Treant species with a powerful build (Bluegum, Chestnut, Ginkgo, Locust, Magnolia, Oak, Redwood) get a +1 size bonus for the purposes of wielding offhand weapons. Bluegum Treants gain an additional +1 size bonus, for a total of +2 sizes. Redwood Treants gain an additional +2 bonus, for a total of +3 (gigantic). Dogwood Treants get a -1 penalty. This stacks with the Caveman and Ymir bonuses, making it possible to reach the gigantic+2 column of the above table without self-polymorph (albeit limited to unskilled). Unlike the Caveman and Ymir bonuses, it does not apply while polymorphed.
+In [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], in addition to all dNetHack changes, any Treant hero of a species with a powerful build (Bluegum, Chestnut, Ginkgo, Locust, Magnolia, Oak, Redwood) gets a +1 size bonus for the purposes of wielding offhand weapons: Bluegum Treants gain an additional +1 size bonus, for a total of +2 sizes; Redwood Treants gain an additional +2 bonus, for a total of +3 (gigantic); Dogwood Treants get a -1 ''penalty''. This stacks with the Caveman and Ymir bonuses, making it possible to reach the gigantic+2 column of the above table without self-polymorph (albeit limited to unskilled). Unlike the Caveman and Ymir bonuses, it does not apply while polymorphed.
 == References ==

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 {{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|You can no longer dual-wield launchers (bows, crossbows, slings), ammo (arrows, crossbow bolts) or missiles (darts, shuriken, boomerangs).}}
-=== Two-weapon combat while polymorphed ===
+===Polymorph===
-You can twoweapon while [[polymorph]]ed only if your polymorphed form has two weapon attacks, regardless of role restrictions.{{refsrc|mondata.h|107}} Most monsters with this property are not valid polymorphable forms. The complete list of polymorphable monsters that can twoweapon is:
+A hero can twoweapon while [[polymorph]]ed if their monster form has two or more weapon attacks, regardless of any role restrictions.{{refsrc|mondata.h|107}} The polymorph-valid monsters that can twoweapon are:
 * {{monsymlink|dwarf lord}}
 * {{monsymlink|dwarf king}}

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 ===dNetHack===
-In [[dNetHack]], all roles and races are capable of twoweaponing, as is any monster that has an offhand attack - this also applies to polymorph forms.
+In [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], all roles and races are capable of twoweaponing, as is any monster that has an offhand attack - this also applies to polymorph forms.
-dNetHack incorporates off-hand weight restrictions similar to those of SporkHack, with a -1 to-hit penalty per each unit of weight over the limit (minimum -5, maximum -40) for overweight offhand weapons, and a -1 damage penalty per every 2 units of weight over the limit (maximum -10). Cavemen get a +1 size bonus for the purposes of offhand weight limits, as do characters that bind [[Ymir]], and both of these bonuses stack. The exact weight limits used are shown in the table below:
+Two-weapon combat has off-hand weight restrictions similar to those of SporkHack, with a -1 to-hit penalty per each unit of weight over the limit (minimum -5, maximum -40) for overweight offhand weapons, and a -1 damage penalty per every 2 units of weight over the limit (maximum -10). Cavemen get a +1 size bonus for the purposes of offhand weight limits, as do any heroes that bind [[Ymir]], and both of these bonuses stack. The exact weight limits used are shown in the table below:
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 Only certain roles and certain races can fight two-handed. Of the game's many races, only [[human (starting race)|humans]], [[Elf (starting race)|elves]] and [[Dwarf (starting race)|dwarves]] can twoweapon. Annoyingly, other races might still see "two-handed combat" in their #[[enhance]] screen even though they cannot use it. Attempting to activate two-handed combat produces the message, "<Your race> <Your role> aren't able to use two weapons at once."{{refsrc|wield.c|506|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}{{refsrc|mondata.h|123|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
-SLASH'EM roles that can twoweapon, in addition to those in vanilla NetHack, are [[Flame Mage]], [[Ice Mage]], and [[Yeoman]]. All can reach Skilled proficiency. [[Duergar]]s and [[bearded devil]]s can also twoweapon.
+SLASH'EM roles that can twoweapon, in addition to those in vanilla NetHack, are [[Flame Mage]], [[Ice Mage]], and [[Yeoman]]. All can reach Skilled proficiency. [[Duergar]]s and [[Bearded devil (SLASH'EM)|bearded devils]] can also twoweapon.
 === SporkHack ===

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−	'''~~Twoweaponing~~''' is the act of wielding two weapons simultaneously to ~~perform additional~~ damage ~~at the cost of~~ overall accuracy, [[skill~~\|skill points~~]], and time spent in training the ability~~. Twoweaponing is not available to all [[role]]s~~.	+	In ''[[NetHack]]'', '''twoweaponing''' is the act of wielding two weapons simultaneously, and is only available to certain [[role]]s. Twoweaponing deals significantly more damage in exchange for overall accuracy, [[skill]] investment, and time spent training the ability.

	== Beginning two-weapon combat ==		== Beginning two-weapon combat ==

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 == References ==
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 {{featured}}
 [[Category:Extended commands]]

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