User:Furey/TNNT Strategy for All You Ever Wanted - Revision history

Furey: Link directly to new page TNNT (the game).

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Link directly to new page TNNT (the game).

Furey: "The November NetHack Tournament" -> "TNNT (the game)"

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"The November NetHack Tournament" -> "TNNT (the game)"

Furey: /* When Not to Bother */ tweak the fountain-first strategy

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‎When Not to Bother: tweak the fountain-first strategy

Furey: /* Throne First */ you can make a thrones from a sink (25% chance)

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‎Throne First: you can make a thrones from a sink (25% chance)

Furey: /* Repurpose Your Game */ fix typo

2023-12-11T05:20:07Z

‎Repurpose Your Game: fix typo

Furey: increase chances by quaffing blessed smoky potions before rubbing magic lamps

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increase chances by quaffing blessed smoky potions before rubbing magic lamps

Furey: /* Strategy */ add a little more

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‎Strategy: add a little more

Furey: /* Repurpose Your Game */ linkify, add November's

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‎Repurpose Your Game: linkify, add November's

Furey: /* Throne First */ linkify

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‎Throne First: linkify

Furey: /* Throne First */ capitalization

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 = Introduction =
-All You Ever Wanted is an achievement in [[TNNT|TNNT (the game)]].
+All You Ever Wanted is an achievement in [[TNNT (the game)]].
 The hero must obtain a [[wish]] from each of the five wish sources: [[throne]], [[fountain]], [[magic lamp]], [[smoky potion]], and [[wand of wishing]]. Thrones are not farmable, and neither are fountains. Thus, AYEW is a very difficult achievement.

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 = Introduction =
-All You Ever Wanted is a [[The_November_NetHack_Tournament#Achievements|TNNT Achievement]].
+All You Ever Wanted is an achievement in [[TNNT|TNNT (the game)]].
 The hero must obtain a [[wish]] from each of the five wish sources: [[throne]], [[fountain]], [[magic lamp]], [[smoky potion]], and [[wand of wishing]]. Thrones are not farmable, and neither are fountains. Thus, AYEW is a very difficult achievement.

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 In particular, if you get a magic lamp before you get a throne wish, you may want to use the magic lamp wish as you normally would, improving your survival chances considerably, rather than using the magic lamp strategically to increase your chances of a potion wish later. In other words: don't leave the magic lamp in your bones.
-If you happen to get a fountain wish, a magic lamp wish, and have good prospects of a smoky potion wish, you may want to try for AYEW anyways. You can increase the number of thrones in your game by dropping a [[ring of polymorph]] into a sink; this action has a 25% chance of creating a thone.
+If you happen to get an early fountain wish, you may want to try for AYEW anyways. You can increase the number of thrones in your game by dropping a [[ring of polymorph]] into a sink; this action has a 25% chance of creating a thone. You can farm magic lamps and smoky potions.
 = History =

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	A typical game has 3 to 5 thrones in fixed places: DevTeam Office, [[Fort Ludios]], [[Castle]], [[Vlad's Tower]], and, depending on [[role]], one throne in the [[Quest]]. There are also throne rooms in the main dungeon before the Castle.		A typical game has 3 to 5 thrones in fixed places: DevTeam Office, [[Fort Ludios]], [[Castle]], [[Vlad's Tower]], and, depending on [[role]], one throne in the [[Quest]]. There are also throne rooms in the main dungeon before the Castle.
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		+	If you drop a ring of polymorph into a sink, the sink will polymorp into an altar, or a grave, or a fountain, or a throne, with a 25% chance of each.

	If you obtain a throne wish, you may want to wish for 2 or 3 blessed smoky potions, depending on how common smoky potions are in your game.		If you obtain a throne wish, you may want to wish for 2 or 3 blessed smoky potions, depending on how common smoky potions are in your game.

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 Rubbing a magic lamp decreases the chances of getting a djinni from a blessed smoky potion, whereas getting a djinni from a blessed smoky potion does not affect the chances of getting a djinni from a magic lamp. So when you do get a magic lamp, either save it until after you have gotten a wish from a potion, or use the magic lamp wish to wish for smoky potions.
-You can use the castle want to wish for a lot of smoky potions.
+You can use the castle wand to wish for a lot of smoky potions.
 = When Not to Bother =

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 Alert your clan members that you are going for AYEW. You may went to set up [[swap chest]] transfers of smoky potions.
-Set up a farming operation on a safe level. You can farm both smoky potions and magic lamps. Magic lamps are harder, of course. In November 2022, Furey spent 25000 turns farming a magic lamp, only to get a peaceful [[djinni]]. Undeterred, he explored the dungeon some more and found another magic lamp eventually.
+Set up a farming operation on a safe level. You can farm both smoky potions and magic lamps. Magic lamps are harder, of course.
-Once you have a throne wish, a fountain wish, and a magic lamp wish, you may need to wish for smoky potions. In November 2023, karafruit spent the entire castle wand of wishing on smoky potions (which were potions of acid). She got the achievement.
+Rubbing a magic lamp decreases the chances of getting a djinni from a blessed smoky potion, whereas getting a djinni from a blessed smoky potion does not affect the chances of getting a djinni from a magic lamp. So when you do get a magic lamp, either save it until after you have gotten a wish from a potion, or use the magic lamp wish to wish for smoky potions.
 = When Not to Bother =
 If you have not gotten a throne wish, then do not spend time and resources on AYEW. Usually.
 If you happen to get a fountain wish, a magic lamp wish, and have good prospects of a smoky potion wish, you may want to try for AYEW anyways. You can increase the number of thrones in your game by dropping a [[ring of polymorph]] into a sink; this action has a 25% chance of creating a thone.
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 = Strategy =
-First make sure your [[Luck#Natural_Luck|natural luck]] is zero or positive. This should always be the case unless you are playing on [[Time#Moon_phase_and_date|Friday the 13th]] or you have deliberately decreased your luck to hunt certain other achievements.
+First make sure your [[Luck#Natural_Luck|natural luck]] is zero or positive. This should usually be the case unless you are playing on [[Time#Moon_phase_and_date|Friday the 13th]] or you have deliberately decreased your luck to hunt certain other achievements.
 == Throne First ==
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 == Fountain Second ==
-If you obtain a throne wish, then scour the dungeon for [[fountains]]. The chances of obtaining a fountain wish are (20-dlvl)%, so only fountains above dlvl 20 are eligible. Therefore, fountains in the Castle and in [[Juiblex's swamp]] are not eligible.
+If you obtain a throne wish, then scour the dungeon for [[fountains]]. The chances of obtaining a fountain wish are (20-dlvl)%, so only fountains above dlvl 20 are eligible. Therefore, fountains in the Gnomish Mines and the Quest are eligible; fountains in the Castle and in [[Juiblex's swamp]] are not eligible.
-You can also transform a [[sink]] on an eligible level into a fountain by applying a [[pick-axe]] to it. This action has a 100% chance of producing a fountain, so it is much better than dropping a [[ring of polymorph]] into a [[sink]], which has only a 25% chance of producing a fountain.
+You can also transform a [[sink]] into a fountain by applying a [[pick-axe]] to it. This action has a 100% chance of producing a fountain, so it is much better than dropping a [[ring of polymorph]] into a [[sink]], which has only a 25% chance of producing a fountain.
 If you obtain both a throne wish and a fountain wish, you should definitely wish for smoky potions and not anything else.

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 Sit on all the thrones you encounter, including any quest thrones and the throne in the [[DevTeam Office]]. As of November 2023, the [[Devteam member|Devteam members]] do not react to the hero sitting on their throne.
-A typical game has 3 to 5 thrones in fixed places: DevTeam Office, [[Fort Ludios]], [[Castle]], [[Vlad's Tower]], and, depending on role, one throne in the [[Quest]]. There are also throne rooms in the main dungeon before the Castle.
+A typical game has 3 to 5 thrones in fixed places: DevTeam Office, [[Fort Ludios]], [[Castle]], [[Vlad's Tower]], and, depending on [[role]], one throne in the [[Quest]]. There are also throne rooms in the main dungeon before the Castle.
 If you obtain a throne wish, you may want to wish for 2 or 3 blessed smoky potions, depending on how common smoky potions are in your game.