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Ion frigate: /* An update */

2025-01-14T07:06:31Z

An update

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	[[User:Ion frigate/GreaterPlayer\|Winning every class in SLASH'EM]]		[[User:Ion frigate/GreaterPlayer\|Winning every class in SLASH'EM]]

			==Thing that doesn't fit anywhere==
			There is no place appropriate for this on the mainspace wiki, but I've always found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29aWKpjjMfU this song] hilarious, and likely to be of interest to people who play a game like NetHack. Turning LOTR into a trashy musical is just a fantastic idea; sadly, of the songs, only that one rang true for me.

Ion frigate: Will make a page for this

2023-03-30T03:38:15Z

Will make a page for this

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	[[User:Ion frigate/Shopkeepers\|My unencyclopedic (for now) notes on what we should eventually add to the shopkeeper article]]		[[User:Ion frigate/Shopkeepers\|My unencyclopedic (for now) notes on what we should eventually add to the shopkeeper article]]

			[[User:Ion frigate/GreaterPlayer\|Winning every class in SLASH'EM]]

Ion frigate: add this here so it's visible(ish) once it falls off recent changes

2023-02-19T08:23:47Z

add this here so it's visible(ish) once it falls off recent changes

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	At this point, my goal for this wiki is to make some edits about lore ("fluff"), where my lack of experience in 3.6+ won't be an issue. I might also edit some SLASH'EM articles, since that hasn't changed in the past decade.		At this point, my goal for this wiki is to make some edits about lore ("fluff"), where my lack of experience in 3.6+ won't be an issue. I might also edit some SLASH'EM articles, since that hasn't changed in the past decade.

			[[User:Ion frigate/Shopkeepers\|My unencyclopedic (for now) notes on what we should eventually add to the shopkeeper article]]

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2022-09-29T08:14:24Z

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+==An update==
-===The scene===
+I still actively play (local copies of) SLASH'EM, but I never made the leap to post-3.4.3 or any of its variants.  Call me old-school.  I could write a whole essay on why I didn't, but I feel like it would just come off as Yet Another Player Complaining That They Changed It And Now It Sucks, and that's not really something I feel like putting out into the world.  If you enjoy the new versions, I mean this sincerely: good for you.  I'm glad the devteam has made a product that will keep NetHack alive, rather than letting it slowly fade away.  It just wasn't to my own personal taste (yes, I did try it).
-Shopkeeper: Aloha, Igby! Welcome to Upernavik's general store.
+At this point, my goal for this wiki is to make some edits about lore ("fluff"), where my lack of experience in 3.6+ won't be an issue.  I might also edit some SLASH'EM articles, since that hasn't changed in the past decade.

Ion frigate: /* Who Am I? 24601! */

2010-12-04T10:07:45Z

Who Am I? 24601!

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	*It definitely encourages much more reckless behavior in relation to items. The worst that can happen from reading a scroll early in the game is your weapon or armor being cursed, easily undone with the very common scroll of remove curse. More care is required later on, but still, about the worst scroll seems to be the scroll of immolation, which only does maybe 20 points of damage. For comparison, a fighter-type would have 100, a mage 50 by the point where one would likely encounter scrolls of immolation. That leads me to the next observation...		*It definitely encourages much more reckless behavior in relation to items. The worst that can happen from reading a scroll early in the game is your weapon or armor being cursed, easily undone with the very common scroll of remove curse. More care is required later on, but still, about the worst scroll seems to be the scroll of immolation, which only does maybe 20 points of damage. For comparison, a fighter-type would have 100, a mage 50 by the point where one would likely encounter scrolls of immolation. That leads me to the next observation...
	*Items are all leveled. You are not going to find a +5, +7 longsword of draining or a scroll of acquirement (Crawl's poor man's version of the wand of wishing) on the first level, or even before the 7th or so. You can still find good/useful items, but things like the early wand of wishing simply don't happen in Crawl.		*Items are all leveled. You are not going to find a +5, +7 longsword of draining or a scroll of acquirement (Crawl's poor man's version of the wand of wishing) on the first level, or even before the 7th or so. You can still find good/useful items, but things like the early wand of wishing simply don't happen in Crawl.
	*Instadeath is much rarer. At least, in a literal sense, meaning that your character dies without your HP being dropped to zero. ~~The only ways to accomplish that feat seem to be going into deep water~~ or lava, ~~both of which the game~~ won't let you ~~do voluntarily, or~~ statdeath, which ~~having~~ a ~~stat drained to zero. I'm sure there are more yet~~ to ~~be discovered, but on~~ the ~~whole it seems to be rarer~~.		*Instadeath is much rarer. At least, in a literal sense, meaning that your character dies without your HP being dropped to zero. You can drown or burn in lava, but Crawl won't let you just walk into them: you have to stop levitating over them. The only other instadeath is statdeath, but even that has been made into a [[delayed instadeath]] (which can serve as a cruel punishment if you have no way to restore the lost stat).
	*Getting one- or two-shotted is much more common. The ogre, which starts appearing around level 4, can wipe out any starting character in 2 hits, and there are many more monsters like it. Gradually you learn what monsters can knock you off so quickly, and it is more consistent than nethack (where you might have bad luck with a goblin and a +5 short sword), but there are a lot of monsters able to hit very, very hard.		*Getting one- or two-shotted is much more common. The ogre, which starts appearing around level 4, can wipe out any starting character in 2 hits, and there are many more monsters like it. Gradually you learn what monsters can knock you off so quickly, and it is more consistent than nethack (where you might have bad luck with a goblin and a +5 short sword), but there are a lot of monsters able to hit very, very hard.
	*Much less is absolute in Crawl. Elemental resistances are all leveled, and even the max (level 3) only provides 90% protection. Poison resistance is absolute, but even for that, there are some spells that can partially ignore it. A cloak of magic resistance is no magic bullet against magical attacks, since MR is also on a spectrum.		*Much less is absolute in Crawl. Elemental resistances are all leveled, and even the max (level 3) only provides 90% protection. Poison resistance is absolute, but even for that, there are some spells that can partially ignore it. A cloak of magic resistance is no magic bullet against magical attacks, since MR is also on a spectrum.
	*You can learn anything in Crawl. Any character can learn any skill, and aptitude for learning it is race-dependent, not class-dependent. Of course, one has to be careful not to spread oneself too thin, as this leads to many skills not advanced enough to be viable, but on the whole it is very useful, for example, to let my mage character learn to use a bow, to keep away from annoyingly resistant monsters (which are very likely to hit very hard, see above).		*You can learn anything in Crawl. Any character can learn any skill, and aptitude for learning it is race-dependent, not class-dependent. Of course, one has to be careful not to spread oneself too thin, as this leads to many skills not advanced enough to be viable, but on the whole it is very useful, for example, to let my mage character learn to use a bow, to keep away from annoyingly resistant monsters (which are very likely to hit very hard, see above).
			*You are never safe: A nethack character with a full complement of resistances and AC of -30 or so is effectively invulnerable; the [[Rider]]s and Demogorgon are the only real threats. Not so in Crawl: a few monsters hit hard enough to get past any AC, unless you are undead you can never fully resist torment, and no player can ever resist hellfire.

	==Various YANI, will post as I think of them==		==Various YANI, will post as I think of them==

Ion frigate: /* The difference between nethack and real life: */

2010-06-16T04:10:35Z

The difference between nethack and real life:

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	===The scene===		===The scene===
	<Man walks into a shop>		<Man walks into a shop>

	Shopkeeper: Aloha, Igby! Welcome to Upernavik's general store.		Shopkeeper: Aloha, Igby! Welcome to Upernavik's general store.

	Tourist: Aloha! Hey, stand still a sec, I wanna take your picture.		Tourist: Aloha! Hey, stand still a sec, I wanna take your picture.

	<Tourist snaps picture with bright flash on, temporarily blinding unready shopkeeper>		<Tourist snaps picture with bright flash on, temporarily blinding unready shopkeeper>

	So what happens next?		So what happens next?
	===Real life===		===Real life===
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	===Nethack===		===Nethack===
	Shopkeeper: Yeargh! Die! <whips out wand of striking, or shotgun in SLASH'EM>		Shopkeeper: Yeargh! Die! <whips out wand of striking, or shotgun in SLASH'EM>

	Tourist: Ow! Ah! What the... AAAAAAAGH! I'll have you tried for murder!		Tourist: Ow! Ah! What the... AAAAAAAGH! I'll have you tried for murder!

	<Tourist attempts to blind shopkeeper again with camera in desperate attempt to get away>		<Tourist attempts to blind shopkeeper again with camera in desperate attempt to get away>

	Shopkeeper: Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike rude customers?		Shopkeeper: Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike rude customers?

	<Shopkeeper zaps wand again. Tourist is now a greasy smear on the wall>		<Shopkeeper zaps wand again. Tourist is now a greasy smear on the wall>

Ion frigate at 04:09, 16 June 2010

2010-06-16T04:09:40Z

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			==The difference between nethack and real life:==
			===The scene===
			<Man walks into a shop>
			Shopkeeper: Aloha, Igby! Welcome to Upernavik's general store.
			Tourist: Aloha! Hey, stand still a sec, I wanna take your picture.
			<Tourist snaps picture with bright flash on, temporarily blinding unready shopkeeper>
			So what happens next?
			===Real life===
			Shopkeeper: Hey! Careful with that, or I'll have you banned from the store!
			===Nethack===
			Shopkeeper: Yeargh! Die! <whips out wand of striking, or shotgun in SLASH'EM>
			Tourist: Ow! Ah! What the... AAAAAAAGH! I'll have you tried for murder!
			<Tourist attempts to blind shopkeeper again with camera in desperate attempt to get away>
			Shopkeeper: Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike rude customers?
			<Shopkeeper zaps wand again. Tourist is now a greasy smear on the wall>

	==Who Am I? 24601!==		==Who Am I? 24601!==

Ion frigate: /* Various YANI, will post as I think of them */

2010-04-09T01:46:54Z

Various YANI, will post as I think of them

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 ==Various YANI, will post as I think of them==
 ===Various firearm YANI's===
-*Artifact firearm: Ole Painless, the classic movie machine gun that never runs out of ammo.  Base item: Assault rifle, provides +1d6 to hit, +1d6 to damage, +1 multishot.  In melee, it does 1d5 damage against small, 1d4 against large monsters (i.e. it has a bayonet attached to it).  Firing it aggravates monsters for a second.  Alignment: Neutral;  Can be invoked to create 15-30 bullets (much like the Longbow of Diana).  Would probably be a quest artifact for some sort of soldier-type class
+*Artifact firearm: Ole Painless, the classic movie machine gun that never runs out of ammo.  Base item: Assault rifle, provides +1d6 to hit, +1d6 to damage, +1 multishot.  In melee, it does 1d5 damage against small, 1d4 against large monsters.  Firing it aggravates monsters for a second.  Alignment: Neutral;  Can be invoked to create 15-30 bullets (much like the Longbow of Diana).  Would probably be a quest artifact for some sort of soldier-type class
 *Artifact firearm: Vampirebane, lawful pistol.  All shots fired from Vampirebane count as +4 for enchantment resistance, and do silver damage against silver-haters.  Would be a good sacrifice gift for Undead Slayers, helping a lot in the early game but losing its potency later on (as a pistol can't really do enough damage fast enough)
 ===Add a little spice to the game===
 Have several slightly different messages for each outcome of eating things.  For example, instead of just "This gnomish wizard corpse tastes terrible!", have it choose randomly between that and "What a putrid a gnomish wizard corpse!", "That gnomish wizard corpse could have been worse...", etc.  An idea inspired by both Crawl and the original Rogue, this is just cosmetic, and makes the game a little more funny and interesting.

Ion frigate: /* Who Am I? 24601! */

2010-04-09T01:28:37Z

Who Am I? 24601!

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	==Who Am I? 24601!==		==Who Am I? 24601!==

	I ~~am totally new~~ to ~~the whole editing wikis thing~~, ~~but~~ I'~~ve been a lurker here~~ for ~~far too long~~.		I have ascended every class in vanilla nethack (first ascension was in 2008, started the game in late 2006), and then moved on to SLASH'EM. There, I have ascended multiple Valkyries (several genocideless), a couple Rogues (including a human one), an atheist Priest, a Barbarian, and a wishless Caveman. Since that, however, I have honestly mostly moved on to Crawl, although a return to SLASH'EM is far from impossible. I do still occasionally fool around in wizard mode, mostly to test things for the wiki, and I know enough programming to reasonably well source dive.

	~~I have ascended every class in vanilla~~ nethack (of ~~course using spoilers~~, ~~and admittedly~~ the ~~Healer was only due~~ to ~~an early wand of wishing)~~, ~~and have since moved on to SLASH'EM and sometimes Crawl~~. ~~Currently my goal~~ is ~~to ascend every class~~ in ~~SLASH~~'EM. ~~So far~~ I ~~have ascended several human Valkyries~~, ~~including one genocideless~~ (~~which is much harder~~ in SLASH'EM~~, given~~ the ~~presence of so many new spellcasters~~), ~~a Doppelganger Rogue (far~~, ~~far too easy~~..~~. Giant Shoggoth + Black Market + Rogue = Full ascension kit + Bat From Hell)~~, ~~and a wishless human Caveman (not particularly easy~~, ~~although wishless conduct~~ is in ~~general easier in SLASH'EM than~~ in ~~vanilla)~~. ~~The most interesting conduct~~ I'~~ve achieved in vanilla is a couple of genocideless wizards and priests~~.		Some of my own preferred conducts for playing SLASH'EM or nethack (some do coincide with tracked conducts):
			*Never change form - In order of priority: Never polymorph into another monster, never eat mimic corpses, never polymorph into the same form, never start turning to stone/slime, never be infected with lycanthropy. As only the first is included in polyselfless conduct, this is in general stricter than that. It also makes magic resistance a definitively higher priority than reflection for me.
			*Never use pets - I don't mind if I incidentally acquire some, either as minions or because it was that or death, but in general I don't use them. Occasionally if Grayswandir is generated in a shop I might coerce a kitten into stealing it for me, but I never like to use pets for combat assistance.
			*Survive or die - I never use amulets of life saving; this kind of falls under the "never change form" conduct, admittedly.
			*Getting crowned is "not" bad - For my neutrals and chaotics, I find Stormbringer or Vorpal Blade (remember, in SLASH'EM it beheads 10% of the time) and the resistances to be well worth the increased prayer timeout. Particularly, it's worth it when you've already gotten 5 or so useless artifacts from sacrificing, and are very unlikely to get another. For lawfuls, I don't care that much either way if I get crowned; it's a minor inconvenience at worst.
			*On a more real-world note, I use the ASCII version, but use the mouse to move around primarily. This is occasionally annoying, as the shortest path algorithm nethack uses sometimes gets locked in loops, particularly in Sokoban.
			*Roleplaying lawful - If I'm lawful or neutral, I really, really try to never attack peaceful monsters.

	~~I have tried NAO a couple times but never really found it to my liking~~. ~~I used to just delete all bones files as soon as they were created (yes~~, ~~that means ALL bones, including the archaeologist who got Grayswandir as~~ a ~~sacrifice gift and then got killed by a soldier ant), but I have just recently started using hearse for SLASH'EM, something that has~~ so ~~far been pretty good~~.		Observations about Crawl:
			*The interface is much, much better than nethack's. It works more quickly, has a five-line display so you are less likely to miss critical messages. Pressing ^p brings up a full-screen display of your latest messages, instead of one by one. The autotravel, autoexplore and autopickup greatly speed up playing the game. The only downside I see is that the inventory system is less intuitive, and picking items up doesn't work quite as smoothly as in nethack.
	~~Latest ascension: Polyselfless, polyless, artifact~~-~~wishless~~, ~~genocideless human male Rogue, named Garrett (kudos to anyone who can guess the reference there); bones piles gave me speed boots, cloak~~ of ~~magic resistance~~, ~~gauntlets of dexterity~~ and ~~Magicbane (thank you early wizard who died in~~ the ~~Mall~~.~~.. :P); got~~ the ~~Bat from Hell as first sacrifice gift~~, and ~~considerably later, Stormbringer~~ as the ~~second (without~~ being ~~crowned)~~, ~~so was set for drain resistance~~. ~~Used credit cloning in~~ the ~~Black Market~~ to ~~get myself~~ a ~~magic lamp~~, ~~used that to wish for~~ a ~~shield~~ of ~~reflection~~. ~~Later enchanted some shimmering dragon scales from~~ the ~~Wyrm caves to make ShDSM~~. ~~Eventually replaced that with GDSM from the lawful quest and~~ a ~~found oilskin cloak~~, ~~amulet was~~ of ~~course~~ the ~~ever-useful amulet~~ of ~~flying~~. ~~Did all 3 alignment quests~~, ~~and for~~ the ~~Rogue quest used a cursed potion~~ of ~~gain level in order to preserve polyselfless conduct (so I didn~~'t ~~have~~ to ~~turn into a xorn)~~. ~~Got helm~~ of ~~telepathy from dipping dwarvish iron helm in~~ a ~~potion of gain level~~. ~~Something death~~-~~dropped a T~~-~~shirt at some point~~, can~~'t quite remember~~.~~.. Castle was trivial~~, and ~~vampire mages became easier to deal~~ with ~~by using the backstab bonus~~ + ~~Magicbane. Elbereth was perhaps slightly overused~~, but ~~whatevs. Used gem golems to pawn gems to gypsies~~ to ~~get wishes~~, ~~used those to get blessed potions of full healing to have 300hp instead of 200~~. ~~Trip back up was easy~~, the ~~good old Wizard~~ only ~~appeared maybe 4 times~~, ~~3 wands of death by~~ that ~~point meant he was toast every time~~. ~~Elemental planes were trivial~~, ~~didn't run into~~ any ~~greater angelic beings there (although ran into an Archon near the castle; he fell pretty easily)~~. ~~Astral was much easier than I thought; got the chaotic altar~~ on the ~~first try~~ (~~I always go~~ to ~~Famine's altar first~~, ~~and got lucky this time~~).		*It definitely encourages much more reckless behavior in relation to items. The worst that can happen from reading a scroll early in the game is your weapon or armor being cursed, easily undone with the very common scroll of remove curse. More care is required later on, but still, about the worst scroll seems to be the scroll of immolation, which only does maybe 20 points of damage. For comparison, a fighter-type would have 100, a mage 50 by the point where one would likely encounter scrolls of immolation. That leads me to the next observation...
			*Items are all leveled. You are not going to find a +5, +7 longsword of draining or a scroll of acquirement (Crawl's poor man's version of the wand of wishing) on the first level, or even before the 7th or so. You can still find good/useful items, but things like the early wand of wishing simply don't happen in Crawl.
	~~Artifacts:~~		*Instadeath is much rarer. At least, in a literal sense, meaning that your character dies without your HP being dropped to zero. The only ways to accomplish that feat seem to be going into deep water or lava, both of which the game won't let you do voluntarily, or statdeath, which having a stat drained to zero. I'm sure there are more yet to be discovered, but on the whole it seems to be rarer.
	~~Blessed rustproof +6 Stormbringer~~		*Getting one- or two-shotted is much more common. The ogre, which starts appearing around level 4, can wipe out any starting character in 2 hits, and there are many more monsters like it. Gradually you learn what monsters can knock you off so quickly, and it is more consistent than nethack (where you might have bad luck with a goblin and a +5 short sword), but there are a lot of monsters able to hit very, very hard.
	~~Blessed fireproof +6 Bat from Hell~~		*Much less is absolute in Crawl. Elemental resistances are all leveled, and even the max (level 3) only provides 90% protection. Poison resistance is absolute, but even for that, there are some spells that can partially ignore it. A cloak of magic resistance is no magic bullet against magical attacks, since MR is also on a spectrum.
	~~Blessed rustproof +0 Magicbane~~		*You can learn anything in Crawl. Any character can learn any skill, and aptitude for learning it is race-dependent, not class-dependent. Of course, one has to be careful not to spread oneself too thin, as this leads to many skills not advanced enough to be viable, but on the whole it is very useful, for example, to let my mage character learn to use a bow, to keep away from annoyingly resistant monsters (which are very likely to hit very hard, see above).
	~~Blessed Master Key of Thievery~~
	~~The alignment keys, the invocation artifacts~~

	~~Artifacts found but not taken:~~
	~~Demonbane, Sunsword, Deathsword~~

	~~Armor:~~
	~~+5 gray dragon scale mail~~
	~~+4 fireproof oilskin cloak~~
	~~+4 t-shirt~~
	~~+4 fireproof speed boots~~
	~~+5 greased helm of telepathy~~
	~~+4 gauntlets of dexterity~~
	~~+4 shield of reflection~~

	~~Amulet:~~
	~~Amulet of flying~~

	~~Rings:~~
	~~Ring of slow digestion~~
	~~Ring of free action~~

	==Various YANI, will post as I think of them==		==Various YANI, will post as I think of them==

Ion frigate at 14:51, 15 February 2010

2010-02-15T14:51:35Z

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	==Various YANI, will post as I think of them==		==Various YANI, will post as I think of them==
			===Various firearm YANI's===
			*Artifact firearm: Ole Painless, the classic movie machine gun that never runs out of ammo. Base item: Assault rifle, provides +1d6 to hit, +1d6 to damage, +1 multishot. In melee, it does 1d5 damage against small, 1d4 against large monsters (i.e. it has a bayonet attached to it). Firing it aggravates monsters for a second. Alignment: Neutral; Can be invoked to create 15-30 bullets (much like the Longbow of Diana). Would probably be a quest artifact for some sort of soldier-type class
			*Artifact firearm: Vampirebane, lawful pistol. All shots fired from Vampirebane count as +4 for enchantment resistance, and do silver damage against silver-haters. Would be a good sacrifice gift for Undead Slayers, helping a lot in the early game but losing its potency later on (as a pistol can't really do enough damage fast enough)
	===Add a little spice to the game===		===Add a little spice to the game===
	Have several slightly different messages for each outcome of eating things. For example, instead of just "This gnomish wizard corpse tastes terrible!", have it choose randomly between that and "What a putrid a gnomish wizard corpse!", "That gnomish wizard corpse could have been worse...", etc. An idea inspired by both Crawl and the original Rogue, this is just cosmetic, and makes the game a little more funny and interesting.		Have several slightly different messages for each outcome of eating things. For example, instead of just "This gnomish wizard corpse tastes terrible!", have it choose randomly between that and "What a putrid a gnomish wizard corpse!", "That gnomish wizard corpse could have been worse...", etc. An idea inspired by both Crawl and the original Rogue, this is just cosmetic, and makes the game a little more funny and interesting.