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Red kangaroo: Created page with "Reimagination of monster classes to avoid extremely large (@), small (l, Q) or strangely lettered (:, ;) classes. Also some new monster ideas. ''Work in progress!..."

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Created page with "Reimagination of monster classes to avoid extremely large (@), small (l, Q) or strangely lettered (:, ;) classes. Also some new monster ideas. ''Work in progress!..."

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Reimagination of monster classes to avoid extremely large ([[@]]), small ([[l]], [[Q]]) or strangely lettered (:, ;) classes. Also some new monster ideas.

''Work in progress!''

{|class="prettytable"
!Name
!Symbol
!Notes
|-
| '''Ants'''||a ||
|-
| '''Angels'''||A ||
|-
| '''Beetles'''||b ||
|-
| '''Birds and bats'''||B ||
|-
| '''Crustaceans'''||c ||
|-
| '''Canines'''||C ||
|-
| '''Dragonkin'''||d ||
|-
| '''Dragons'''||D ||
|-
| '''Eyes'''||e ||
|-
| '''Elementals'''||E ||
|-
| '''Felines'''||f ||
|-
| '''Fey'''||F ||
|-
| '''Goblins and gnomes'''||g ||
|-
| '''Ghosts'''||G ||
|-
| '''Small humanoids'''||h ||
|-
| '''Large humanoids'''||H ||
|-
| '''Imps'''||i ||
|-
| '''Infernals'''||I ||
|-
| [[devil]]s|| ||
|-
| '''Lesser jellies'''||j ||
|-
| '''Greater jellies'''||J ||
|-
| '''Kobolds'''||k ||
|-
| '''Constructs'''||K ||
|-
| clockwork automaton|| ||
|-
| [[gizmo]]|| ||
|-
| [[Keter Sephiroth]]|| ||
|-
| '''Lizards'''||l ||
|-
| '''Livestock'''||L ||
|-
| '''Mushrooms and molds'''||m ||
|-
| '''Mummies and liches'''||M ||
|-
| '''Necrophages'''||n ||
|-
| '''Nagi'''||N ||
|-
| '''Orcs'''||o ||
|-
| '''Ogres'''||O ||
|-
| '''People'''||p ||
|-
| [[human]]s|| ||
|-
| '''Plants'''||P ||
|-
| '''Quadrupeds'''||q ||
|-
| '''Quendi'''||Q ||
|-
| [[elves]]|| ||
|-
| '''Rodents'''||r ||
|-
| '''Reptiles'''||R ||
|-
| '''Spiders'''||s ||
|-
| '''Snakes'''|| S ||
|-
| '''Things'''|| t ||
|-
| '''Trolls'''||T ||
|-
| '''Ursines'''||u ||
|-
| '''Unicorns and horses'''||U ||
|-
| '''Vortices'''||v ||
|-
| '''Vampires'''||V ||
|-
| '''Worms'''||w ||
|-
| '''Wraiths'''||W ||
|-
| '''Cells and body parts'''||x ||
|-
| '''Abberations'''||X ||
|-
| '''Insect'''||y ||
|-
| '''Apes'''||Y ||
|-
| '''Lesser undead'''||z ||
|-
| '''Greater undead'''||Z ||
|-
| '''Demons lords'''||1 ||
|-
| '''Grand demons'''||2 ||
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| '''Greater demons'''||3 ||
|-
| '''Lesser demons'''||4 ||
|-
| '''Least demons'''||5 ||
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| '''Fish'''||6 ||
|-
| '''Robots'''||7 ||
|-
| '''Golems'''||8 ||
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| '''Gargoyles'''||9 ||
|-
| '''Comestibles'''||, ||
|-
| [[evil food]]|| ||
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| '''Lights'''||. ||
|-
| '''Potions and jars'''||! ||
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| brain-in-a-jar|| ||
|-
| '''Lurking rays'''||^ ||
|-
| death hood|| ||
|-
| [[lurker above]]|| ||
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| luker below|| ||
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| [[trapper]]|| ||
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| '''Trees and statues'''|| & ||
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| '''Spheres'''|| * ||
|-
| '''Pieces'''|| <nowiki>|</nowiki> ||
|-
| white pawn|| ||
|}

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 * breathe [[acid]]
-==Player monsters==
+==Silly Ideas==
 [[Category:YANI]]

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 * [[Gremlin]]s are another monster that would be easy to incorporate into the n class. They are special and unique, but for reasons unknown share their monster class with [[gargoyle]]s. As an aggravating tricksters, they seem to fit into n class quite well.
 ** As I implied above, [[']] class also bugs me for being nigh unintelligible. With the moving of gremlins into the n class, gargoyles and golems could be combined under the g class, as both are statue-like enemies (gargoyles are mostly portrayed either as animated statues, or living beings that use statue form as a disguise, which seems to be NetHack's case, as they leave corpses).
 * [[Zruty]] can be removed for all I care. I actually really like the change [[SLASH'EM]] made to the z class with the addition of [[zouthern animals]]. That way no more one monster classes remain.
-Last change is something I don't thing is necessary, but would supplement the changes above. Firstly, NetHack seems to try and fill all letters with various monsters (see [[z]] and [[Q]]), yet the [[I]] class (capital "i") remains empty. While it serves as an unseen monster symbol, it would be nice to have an actual monster for this letter. Secondly, [[mind flayer]]s are very distinct monsters and yet they share a monster class with completely unrelated [[Dwarf|dwarves]] and [[hobbit]]s. Therefore:
+Last change is something I don't thing is necessary, but would supplement the changes above. Firstly, NetHack seems to try and fill all letters with various monsters (see [[z]] and [[Q]]), yet the [[I]] class (capital "i") remains empty. While it serves as an unseen monster symbol, it would be nice to have an actual monster for this letter. Therefore:
-* Illithid class would be very nice, with unique monsters under their own letter.
+* Illithid class would be very nice, with unique monsters under their own letter. [[Mind flayer]]s are very distinct and yet they share a monster class with completely unrelated [[Dwarf|dwarves]] and [[hobbit]]s. However, this removes the possibility of [[Gnomish Mines|Mine flayers]], who we all <del>love</del> despise.
 ==New monsters==

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 * Illithid class would be very nice, with unique monsters under their own letter.
-==New Monsters==
+==New monsters==
 ===Nymphs===
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 I also rather like [[wood troll]]s. :)
 ==Player monsters==

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-Several ideas I had regarding the [[monster]]s of NetHack.
+Several ideas I had, regarding both new [[monster]]s and some improvements to monsters and monster classes.
-==Class Symbols==
+Monster classes in NetHack have three issues I particularly don't like:
-There are two instances where the letter distribution of monster classes bug me - specifically the [[l]] and [[Q]] classes. These two monster classes have only a single monster (along with, of course, the [[z]] class), neither of which is unique enough to justify being in its own monster class. At the same time, the [[@]] class is extremely overcrowded, with the same color being used several times for different monsters.
+There are definitely ways to improve the monster distribution in classes with this in mind. I'd suggest the following:
-Therefore, I suggest the following:
+* All [[elves]] are moved from the @ class to the Q class, plus Q class renamed to [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Quendi Quendi]. This will make short work of the huge @ class.
-* [[Leprechaun]]s are moved to the [[n]] class. They already are very similar to the nymphs' thieving gimmick, so it makes sense to include them in a single class instead of separating them for no reason.
+Last change is something I don't thing is necessary, but would supplement the changes above. Firstly, NetHack seems to try and fill all letters with various monsters (see [[z]] and [[Q]]), yet the [[I]] class (capital "i") remains empty. While it serves as an unseen monster symbol, it would be nice to have an actual monster for this letter. Secondly, [[mind flayer]]s are very distinct monsters and yet they share a monster class with completely unrelated [[Dwarf|dwarves]] and [[hobbit]]s. Therefore:
-** Lizards ([[Colon|:]] class) are now l class. This has the benefit of not leaving an empty monster class and giving lizards an appropriate letter, rather than a punctuation with no meaning.
+* Illithid class would be very nice, with unique monsters under their own letter.
 ==New Monsters==
 ===Nymphs===
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 * invisible
-[[wood troll]]
+I also rather like [[wood troll]]s. :)
-==Generated Undead==
+==Player monsters==
 [[Category:YANI]]

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 |  '''Spheres'''|| * ||
 |-
-|  '''Pieces'''|| <nowiki>|</nowiki> ||
+|  '''Pieces'''|| &brvbar; ||
 |-
-| white pawn|| ||
+| pawn|| ||
 |}