User:The eternal paradox/YANIs - Revision history

The eternal paradox: notes I dont wanna forget (observe this page exploding over the weekend)

2025-07-12T01:19:22Z

notes I dont wanna forget (observe this page exploding over the weekend)

The eternal paradox: ideas from last night

2025-07-08T17:30:12Z

ideas from last night

The eternal paradox: read through Boatmurdered, got to fill in lots of details about it

2025-07-06T19:11:27Z

read through Boatmurdered, got to fill in lots of details about it

The eternal paradox: /* Quest Ideas (most fitting for dnh) /

2025-07-05T16:22:42Z

‎Quest Ideas (most fitting for *dnh)

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

2025-07-05T16:15:12Z

‎Submachine

The eternal paradox: /* What it adds to the rest of the game */

2025-07-05T15:57:01Z

‎What it adds to the rest of the game

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

2025-07-05T15:55:39Z

‎Submachine

The eternal paradox: /* More Combo-specific Things */

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‎More Combo-specific Things

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

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‎Submachine

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

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‎Submachine

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 Under the light of the quest artifact, these should do something cool. Maybe they act as living items? Maybe they automatically repair erosion & re-enchant (up to the highest you've already enchanted it) over time? Could just be extra energy damage. Who knows!
 ==Something something Chinese mythology==
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 =Misc. Ideas=
-A smattering of smaller things (mostly vibes lol) to suggest and are more variant-agnostic, unless marked.
+A smattering of smaller things (mostly vibes lol) to suggest.
 * More physics jokes, I'm a big nerd... I made a suggestion about a classical mechanic monster once. The short story is that they attack by running into you and "conserving momentum" by bumping you back a few squares. Could write more about this.
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 * (*dnh) On that note: more dreamlike vibes? Liminal spaces and all that. This suggestion is definitely least fleshed out, but I just want insight to be not all scary things haha
 * (possibly *dnh but not necessarily) More SCP references because there are only a few in *dnh and they are hard to find/recognize.

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 * Use on the statues of war machines in the law quest to revive and tame them?
-This next idea is a holdover from my first draft of the whole Submachine idea ("fix the machine" quest instead of "drive out the humans" quest). I want clockwork crafting to be more cool and viable in *dnh; currently, you can build really weak things with clockwork components. I think there should be EVEN MORE mechanical monsters, and some of them are actually worth building and using as pets. Maybe, like [[Undead Hunter|UH]], there's a "tinkering" skill that Clk Kni have complete access to (& other roles/races limitedly so), which allows you to use clockwork components in addition with other things to make cool stuff? Maybe even artis? Again, I have only one cool idea to suggest:
+This next idea is a holdover from my first draft of the whole Submachine idea ("fix the machine" quest instead of "drive out the humans" quest). I want clockwork crafting to be more cool and viable in *dnh; currently, you can build really weak things with clockwork components. I think there should be EVEN MORE mechanical monsters, and some of them are actually worth building and using as pets. Maybe, like [[Undead Hunter|UH]], there's a "tinkering" skill that Clk Kni have complete access to (& other roles/races limitedly so--maybe gnomes can do it somewhat?), which allows you to use clockwork components in addition with other things to make cool stuff (w/ upgrade kits, perhaps). Maybe any weapon & armor can be made clockwork this way, which grant certain bonuses, and you can craft artis too, but only a few.
-* Clockwork blade, a mechanical long sword. Er the attached gears grind into an enemy's flesh and deals extra damage. OK wait a second I feel like there is a potential to reference all the clockwork SCPs THIS IDEA MAY GROW LATER
+* Clockwork armor set: helm, gauntlets, body armor, and boots.
 ==Something something Chinese mythology==

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 ==Dwarf Fortress (Boatmurdered)==
-You have been tasked to travel from the mountainhome to check on the outpost that was sent out some years ago, and you come upon an accursed, crumbling fortress, surrounded by blackened and charred earth for miles and miles.
+You have been tasked by the king, Kadol Logemfikuk, to travel from the mountainhome and check on the outpost Koganusan, "Boatmurdered," that was sent out to the Smooth Points of Pride some years ago. You come upon an accursed, crumbling fortress, surrounded by blackened and charred earth for miles and miles.
 Fast facts:
-* Home: the mountainhome
+* Home: the capital of Kinmelbil, The Oaken Tomes
-* Locate: the edge of destruction (i.e. half the terrain is normal grass and trees and stuff, the other half is black and dead and unsettling)
+* Locate: the entrance to Boatmurdered (half the terrain is green and growing, the other half is completely dead and burnt; at the rightmost end lies the doors to the fortress. Think Arcadian fortress entry level in the law quest.)
-* Goal: entry hall of Boatmurdered
+* Goal: the large, unstable mined-out area near the lava flow
-* Leader: uhh some noble? The king? You know what I mean (whoever rules the mountainhome)
+* Leader: Kadol Logemfikuk, ruler of Kinmelbil (I got the name from StarkRavingMad's entry, hopefully it's the king's real name. If I can get my hands on the save, I'll try to check.)
 * Guardians: other dorfs
-* Nemesis: Sankis (legendary ruler who drank from lava and then drove everyone insane) or Dodok (the last survivor of Boatmurdered; a child whose grip on reality arguably never even manifested)
+* Nemesis: Dodok Astlumash, the last survivor of Boatmurdered; a child whose grip on reality arguably never even manifested
-* Quest Artifact: the spiky amulet that was Boatmurdered's first artifact
+* Quest monsters: elephants (in the first half), LOTS of undead-ish stuff, trolls, troglodytes, other stuff that spawns in abandoned fortresses (second half)
 Role/race combo: my thought was Dwa Bar, since the other two notable dwarf roles already have a special quest. Would have to force like a neutral dwarf, though. But it could work (according to Noisytoot).
 riker & lapis gave the suggestion that dwarves should be smiths and can do fun smith stuff. In particular, they can work mithril (found in other dwarf-role combo quests) and adamantine (DF material that should make an appearance in DF quest, which [[User:Chris|Chris]] suggested should be able to hit every material vulnerability); this would help with the "adding more content to the rest of the game/other roles" problem I mentioned earlier.
-NOTE TO SELF: reread Boatmurdered so I can fill in some details!
+Thus, Sankis, the legendary engraver and former ruler who drank from lava and began the tantrum spiral that doomed the fortress, is in fact still prowling the halls. He should be a hidden, "extra" nemesis, locked away somewhere. He guards the adamantine stock of the fortress (I know, Boatmurdered never actually mined any adamantine, but if this is the only DF-location reference in the entire game, it's got to have adamantine).
 ==Submachine==
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 Some quick background on the Submachine game series: the Submerged Machine (the Submachine, also the Subnet as a wider environment) is an unimaginably large underground network of machines and rooms that has been there forever and grows on its own and does other inexplicable things. In the original series, you (a human, probably) are a single explorer who tries to figure out its secrets by following the most influential former explorers, Murtaugh and Elizabeth. Within the game, these explorers are referred to as the "human infestation" by the Submachine itself. Therefore, to make things a little interesting, the *dnh implementation will see the PC siding with the machine and dealing with the human infestation.
-You are a [[Clockwork automata|Clk]] character (may be role-specific, most probably Kni) recalled to their home, the Submachine, by SHIVA, its AI. The PC is a sub-bot, which are bots made by the Submachine in order to maintain itself. Reality is warping and restructuring itself due to heavy human traffic and their use/study of karma, so you must drive out/defeat the humans, locate Murtaugh--the one who started it all--and claim from him the karma stabilizer, which will stop the Submachine from falling apart.
+You are a [[Clockwork automata|Clk]] character (may be role-specific, most probably Kni) recalled to their home, the Submachine, by S.H.I.V.A., its AI. The PC is a sub-bot, which are bots made by the Submachine in order to maintain itself. Reality is warping and restructuring itself due to heavy human traffic and their use/study of karma, so you must drive out/defeat the humans, locate Murtaugh--the one who started it all--and claim from him the karma stabilizer, which will stop the Submachine from falling apart.
 Fast facts:
-* Home: (SHIVA) access point
+* Home: S.H.I.V.A. access point
 * Locate: the Knot
 * Goal: the Core
-* Leader: SHIVA
+* Leader: S.H.I.V.A. (UPDATE: I kinda want to make S.H.I.V.A. the lawful god instead. Perhaps just make a generic, albeit old, sub-bot the leader instead?)
 * Guardians: other sub-bots (clockwork automata)
 * Nemesis: Murtaugh
-* Quest Artifact: karma stabilizer
+* Quest monsters: human explorers
 ===Nemesis===
-Murtaugh should be a mean teleporting spellcaster. The list of *dnh-specific monster spells hasn't come out yet, but his abilities include (at least): lots of teleportation (obviously), always invisible, and if he doesn't cast spacewarp I will be sad. He will leave no corpse, as the defeat message will be flavored as him using his arm to create another portal and escaping the Core, marking the success of your quest.
+Murtaugh should be a mean spellcaster. He is generated invisible, pretty speedy, and in addition to most monster spells, casts a heck of a lot of spatial manipulation spells (i.e. he teleports, flings you around, does the space-blades thingy, possibly acts like a uranium imp too). If possible, the terrain should have a chance to shift and react to him each time he casts a space spell. He will leave no corpse, as the defeat message will be flavored as him using his arm to create another portal and escaping the Core, marking the success of your quest.
 ===Quest Structure===
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 Also: if possible, can there be multiple possible selections for the filler levels? I.e. each quest plays a little differently? This might make it too complex (for both the player ''and'' whoever decides to code this, which may well end up being me, lol).
 ===More Combo-specific Things===

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 =Quest Ideas (most fitting for *dnh)=
-More or less references to other games that I enjoy and would like to see in *dNetHack, because race/role-specific quests exist there. riker pragmatically asked what these might contribute to the rest of the game, which I guess will be the next thing to think about after figuring out how exactly the quests should go.
+More or less references to other games that I enjoy and would like to see in *dNetHack, because race/role-specific quests exist there. [[User:EasterlyIrk|riker]] pragmatically asked what these might contribute to the rest of the game, which I guess will be the next thing to think about after figuring out how exactly the quests should go.
 I'd really appreciate it if anyone wants to help think these out, since as above, I really don't know about game balance, design, etc. :P My wish, of course, is to see them implemented; failing that, if I can create a documentation of these quests ''almost as if'' they actually existed, I would be greatly satisfied as well.

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 * Quest artifact: the karma stabilizer (yes, I'm writing about the details here), unidentified appearance "cyan-glowing iron lantern" (plain ol' "iron lantern" if it's turned off). Only magical darkness can force it to go out. On carry: MR, teleport control, half spell damage, maybe one other magic-related thing. While lit: permanent light source like a magic lamp, passive regeneration for mechanical monsters in radius (including you, of course), one more thing or two. Invoke: branchport, or if that's overused, somehow restructure the space around you?? It feels kinda weak rn, have to think more.
 * First gift: a multitool (somewhat like the [[Noble]]s' first gift), perhaps named "the first multitool," unidentified appearance "[form of object] emblemed with a many-armed eye." Not sure about all the forms it can take, but one must be a spear (spears get messy in n/ndnh though, might make it a weapon-tool), where it is flavored as a connection pod. The connection pod is a necessary tool for interface with the portals in the quest, as above. It can also be used to interface with other mechanical monsters in the main dungeon, as below. Obviously, the multitool should also be able to transform into weapons that knights can use skillfully.
-* Crowning artifact: a wisdom gem, unidentified appearance "cyan-glowing gem," with a dilithium crystal as its base item. Can be placed into the QA to make the stabilizer's light fully permanent, as well as expanding the radius and making it even stronger in some way. On its own, the gem can be used to either charge things or to refill your own energy. It would be funny if it enhanced wisdom too. Maybe you can place it into yourself (by eating it or something??? idk lol) to gain special powers of your own?
+* Crowning artifact: a wisdom gem, unidentified appearance "cyan-glowing gem," with a dilithium crystal as its base item. Can be placed into the QA to make the stabilizer's light fully permanent, as well as expanding the radius and making it even stronger in some way. On its own, the gem can be used to either charge things or to refill your own energy. It would be funny if it enhanced wisdom too. Maybe you can place it into yourself (by eating it or something??? idk lol) to gain special powers of your own? Would it be OP to grant preservation if the gem is placed into QA/you?
 ===What it adds to the rest of the game===

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 Some quick background on the Submachine game series: the Submerged Machine (the Submachine, also the Subnet as a wider environment) is an unimaginably large underground network of machines and rooms that has been there forever and grows on its own and does other inexplicable things. In the original series, you (a human, probably) are a single explorer who tries to figure out its secrets by following the most influential former explorers, Murtaugh and Elizabeth. Within the game, these explorers are referred to as the "human infestation" by the Submachine itself. Therefore, to make things a little interesting, the *dnh implementation will see the PC siding with the machine and dealing with the human infestation.
-You are a [[Clockwork automata|Clk]] character (may be role-specific, most probably Kni) recalled to their home, the Submachine, by SHIVA, its AI. The PC is a sub-bot, which are bots made by the Submachine in order to maintain itself. Reality is falling apart due to heavy human traffic and use/study of karma, so you must drive out/defeat the humans, locate Murtaugh--the one who started it all--and claim from him the karma stabilizer, which will stop the Submachine from falling apart.
+You are a [[Clockwork automata|Clk]] character (may be role-specific, most probably Kni) recalled to their home, the Submachine, by SHIVA, its AI. The PC is a sub-bot, which are bots made by the Submachine in order to maintain itself. Reality is falling apart due to heavy human traffic and their use/study of karma, so you must drive out/defeat the humans, locate Murtaugh--the one who started it all--and claim from him the karma stabilizer, which will stop the Submachine from falling apart.
 Fast facts:

User:The eternal paradox/YANIs - Revision history

The eternal paradox: notes I dont wanna forget (observe this page exploding over the weekend)

The eternal paradox: ideas from last night

The eternal paradox: read through Boatmurdered, got to fill in lots of details about it

The eternal paradox: /* Quest Ideas (most fitting for *dnh) */

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

The eternal paradox: /* What it adds to the rest of the game */

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

The eternal paradox: /* More Combo-specific Things */

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

The eternal paradox: /* Submachine */

The eternal paradox: /* Quest Ideas (most fitting for dnh) /