User:Tungtn/Physical damage analysis - Revision history

Jonadab: /* Closing comments */ Add to Category:Design

2017-08-14T15:48:35Z

‎Closing comments: Add to Category:Design

2015-02-25T11:12:16Z

‎Grayswandir damage: Demonbane gets double enchantment damage vs. demons, pointed out by FIQ on #dnethack

2014-11-10T06:58:29Z

‎Brainstorm of possible improvements: wrap this up

2014-11-03T12:00:47Z

‎Brainstorm of possible improvements: Add skill/to-hit table for later reference

2014-11-03T11:55:34Z

‎Combat changes made by Variants: New sub-section "To-Hit Cap for Low Skill Levels"

2014-10-29T10:20:10Z

‎Combat changes made by Variants: Link to talk page, fill in the last section

2014-10-28T09:20:18Z

‎Double damage for two-handed weapons (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack): also exists in dNetHack

2014-10-28T09:15:21Z

‎+7 damage for 25 strength (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack): Include dNetHack info, change title accordingly

2014-10-27T03:55:31Z

‎Reduce influence of Luck on To-Hit (SporkHack, DynaHack): maths is hard

2014-10-26T11:56:39Z

‎Reduce influence of Luck on To-Hit (SporkHack, DynaHack)

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	Thoughts? There's a talk page for all this here: [[User talk:tungtn/Physical damage analysis]]		Thoughts? There's a talk page for all this here: [[User talk:tungtn/Physical damage analysis]]
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-! enchantment
+! enchantment (vs. demons)
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-| +7
+| +14
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 | '''9'''/'''13'''
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-| '''16'''/'''20'''
+| '''23'''/'''27'''
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	TODO		TODO
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		+	{\| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"
		+	\|+ Skill to-hit modifiers
		+	\|-
		+	!
		+	! Weapon skill
		+	! Two-weapon skill
		+	\|-
		+	! Restricted
		+	\| -4
		+	\| n/a
		+	\|-
		+	! Unskilled
		+	\| -4
		+	\| -9
		+	\|-
		+	! Basic
		+	\| 0
		+	\| -7
		+	\|-
		+	! Skilled
		+	\| +2
		+	\| -5
		+	\|-
		+	! Expert
		+	\| +3
		+	\| -3
		+	\|}

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 A side effect of this noise-combat mechanic is that you don't want to fight close to certain sleeping monsters like nymphs and nalfeshnee, since the combat will awaken them and force you to deal with them, often mid-combat.
 == Brainstorm of possible improvements ==
 TODO

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 This section lists and describes the mechanics and impact of some of the more notable but overlooked of these changes.
 ==== Double damage for two-handed weapons (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack, dNetHack) ====
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 DynaHack independently simply removed the luck attribute from to-hit calculations altogether, though as of this writing, due to an oversight it only affects melee attacks (I will fix this when I have a chance to).  DynaHack converts Sokoban cheating from a luck penalty into a conduct, a change it borrows from UnNetHack, so fixing botched Sokoban levels is far less punishing than it is in NetHack.
-==== Player combat makes noise ====
+==== Player combat makes noise (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack, dNetHack) ====
-TODO
+A side effect of this noise-combat mechanic is that you don't want to fight close to certain sleeping monsters like nymphs and nalfeshnee, since the combat will awaken them and force you to deal with them, often mid-combat.
 == Brainstorm of possible improvements ==
 TODO

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 This section lists and describes the mechanics and impact of some of the more notable but overlooked of these changes.
-==== Double damage for two-handed weapons (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack) ====
+==== Double damage for two-handed weapons (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack, dNetHack) ====
 In NetHack, (almost) all melee attack damage is modified by the character's strength attribute, ranging from -1 for strength 5 and under, all the way up to +6 for 18/** strength and up.
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 SporkHack introduced the idea of making two-handed (or bimanual) weapons distinct, by doubling this modifier for such weapons.  Therefore a character using a two-handed weapon will get a strength damage modifier of between -2 to +12, which moves two-handed weapons from doing mediocre damage in the late game to doing respectable damage.  This bonus damage also partially offsets the typical downside for two-handed weapons: being cursed and causing "stuck hands" that prevents bag/container access and spell casting.
-This change was later ported into UnNetHack and DynaHack.
+This change was later ported into UnNetHack and DynaHack, and also exists in dNetHack.
 ==== Extra damage beyond +6 for 18/** strength (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack, dNetHack) ====

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 This change was later ported into UnNetHack and DynaHack.
-==== +7 damage for 25 strength (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack) ====
+==== Extra damage beyond +6 for 18/** strength (SporkHack, UnNetHack, DynaHack, dNetHack) ====
 In NetHack, the maximum damage bonus you can get from strength is +6 damage from 18/** strength; higher strength than that has no effect on damage.
-SporkHack made a subtle change for 25 strength, the strength level that you get when you wear gauntlets of power, by granting a +7 damage bonus for that point.  It's only a 1 point difference in most cases (2 points if considering the two-handed strength modifier mechanic).
+SporkHack made a subtle change for 25 strength, the strength level that you get when you wear gauntlets of power, by granting a +7 damage bonus for that point.  This change was later ported into UnNetHack and DynaHack.  It's only a 1 point difference in most cases (2 points if considering the two-handed strength modifier mechanic).
-This change was later ported into UnNetHack and DynaHack.
+dNethack also gives higher bonuses for higher strength scores: +6 for 19-21, +7 for 22-24, and +8 for 25.
 ==== Changes to damage from skill (dNetHack, DynaHack) ====

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 Recall earlier in the brief section on "To-Hit" that the hidden "luck" attribute is one of the biggest contributors to a character's to-hit value: +13 at its highest, compared to 18 dexterity which gives +4, or 23 dexterity which gives +9.
-SporkHack reduces this by simply dividing the luck attribute by 3 for these calculations, so the it ranges from -3 to +3 instead of -13 to +13 as in NetHack.
+SporkHack reduces this by simply dividing the luck attribute by 3 for these calculations, so the it ranges from -4 to +4 instead of -13 to +13 as in NetHack.
 Incidentally this also makes early Sokoban "cheating" much less reset-worthy; enough attempts to fix a botched Sokoban level can make it impossible to hit ''anything'' in early game NetHack.  I'm not sure if SporkHack changed anything about the way Sokoban works to tell if this mechanic has the impact I'm stating it has here.