https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=User%3ATungtn%2FPhysical_damage_analysis%2FRanger 2026-06-12T14:38:26Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.32.5 https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Tungtn/Physical_damage_analysis/Ranger&diff=90642&oldid=prev 2014-10-07T08:29:39Z

<p>Created page with &quot;Conventionally, rangers almost exclusively on ranged combat, even in melee range. &#039;&#039;&#039;Ranger multishot note&#039;&#039;&#039;: Rangers get +1 multishot (and heavyshot in DynaHack) for all pr...&quot;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>Conventionally, rangers almost exclusively on ranged combat, even in melee range.<br /> <br /> '''Ranger multishot note''': Rangers get +1 multishot (and heavyshot in DynaHack) for all projectiles.<br /> <br /> '''DynaHack heavyshot note''': Heavyshot multiplies projectile base damage and enchantment, but does NOT include skill bonus! Definitely not intended.<br /> <br /> == Early game ==<br /> <br /> === arrows (fired) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * basic bow: +0<br /> * normal ranger multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2<br /> ** +0<br /> *** 1 / '''5.25''' / 12<br /> ** +2<br /> *** 3 / '''8.25''' / 16<br /> * elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br /> ** +0<br /> *** 1 / '''7''' / 18<br /> ** +2<br /> *** 3 / '''11''' / 24<br /> <br /> === crossbow bolts (fired) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * basic crossbow: +0<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** ranger multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2<br /> ** +0<br /> *** small: 2 / '''5.25''' / 10<br /> *** large: 2 / '''6.75''' / 14<br /> ** +2<br /> *** small: 4 / '''8.25''' / 14<br /> *** large: 4 / '''9.75''' / 18<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** With +0 skill damage bonus, crossbow heavyshot does exactly the same damage as multishot in NetHack.<br /> <br /> === +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * basic dagger: +0<br /> * multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2<br /> * small: 1 / '''3.75''' / 8<br /> * large: 1 / '''3''' / 6<br /> <br /> Crossbow bolts out-damage arrows, but elves and orcs (with matching racial bow and arrows) out-damage both.<br /> <br /> Daggers do less damage than anything fired in the early game and should only be used to preserve ammo or train the dagger skill for later.<br /> <br /> == Mid game ==<br /> <br /> === poisoned arrows (fired) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> *** +0<br /> **** resist: 3 / '''13.75''' / 32<br /> **** non-resist: 4 / '''22.5''' / 56<br /> *** +2<br /> **** resist: 5 / '''18.75''' / 40<br /> **** non-resist: 6 / '''27.5''' / 64<br /> ** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br /> *** +0<br /> **** resist: 3 / '''16.5''' / 40<br /> **** non-resist: 4 / '''27''' / 70<br /> *** +2<br /> **** resist: 5 / '''22.5''' / 50<br /> **** non-resist: 6 / '''33''' / 80<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> *** +0<br /> **** resist: 4 / '''16.25''' / 36<br /> **** non-resist: 5 / '''25''' / 60<br /> *** +2<br /> **** resist: 6 / '''21.25''' / 44<br /> **** non-resist: 7 / '''30''' / 68<br /> ** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br /> *** +0<br /> **** resist: 4 / '''19.5''' / 45<br /> **** non-resist: 5 / '''30''' / 75<br /> *** +2<br /> **** resist: 6 / '''25.5''' / 55<br /> **** non-resist: 7 / '''36''' / 85<br /> <br /> === +0 poisoned silver arrows (fired, rare!) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br /> * ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> *** non-silver: 3 / '''13.75''' / 32<br /> *** silver: 4 / '''40''' / 112<br /> ** poisoned<br /> *** non-silver: 4 / '''22.5''' / 56<br /> *** silver: 5 / '''48.75''' / 136<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> *** non-silver: 4 / '''16.25''' / 36<br /> *** silver: 5 / '''42.5''' / 116<br /> ** poisoned<br /> *** non-silver: 5 / '''25''' / 60<br /> *** silver: 6 / '''51.25''' / 140<br /> <br /> === poisoned crossbow bolts (fired) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * expert crossbow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> ** +0<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** small: 4 / '''13.75''' / 28<br /> **** large: 4 / '''16.25''' / 36<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** small: 5 / '''20''' / 52<br /> **** large: 5 / '''22.5''' / 60<br /> ** +2<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** small: 6 / '''18.75''' / 36<br /> **** large: 6 / '''21.25''' / 44<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** small: 7 / '''25''' / 60<br /> **** large: 7 / '''27.5''' / 68<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** ranger heavyshot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> ** Note: Crossbows are heavyshot, so skill bonus is applied AFTER the damage multiplier, not before!<br /> ** +0<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** small: 5 / '''11.75''' / 23<br /> **** large: 5 / '''14.25''' / 31<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** small: 6 / '''18''' / 47<br /> **** large: 6 / '''20.5''' / 55<br /> ** +2<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** small: 7 / '''16.75''' / 31<br /> **** large: 7 / '''19.25''' / 39<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** small: 8 / '''23''' / 55<br /> **** large: 8 / '''25.5''' / 63<br /> <br /> === +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br /> <br /> * thrown: no str bonus<br /> * expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br /> * ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** small: 3 / '''11.25''' / 24<br /> ** large: 3 / '''10''' / 20<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** small: 4 / '''13.75''' / 28<br /> ** large: 4 / '''12.5''' / 24<br /> <br /> '''Poisoned arrows out-damage thrown daggers''' by 20% against poison-resistant monsters, and by a whopping 100% against monsters weak to poison!<br /> <br /> '''Poisoned arrow damage''' (22.5 average for +0 expert ranger multishot) '''approaches average damage of +7 artifact weapons of late game characters!'''<br /> <br /> Making heavyshot work on crossbows the way they currently do in DynaHack actually '''REDUCES crossbow damage by 10%''' compared to NetHack where they multishot instead; definitely NOT intended. Heavyshot should probably be applied in hmon_hitmon() instead of dmgval().<br /> <br /> == Late game ==<br /> <br /> === +7 poisoned arrows (fired) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** 10 / '''31.25''' / 60<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** 11 / '''40''' / 84<br /> ** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** 10 / '''37.5''' / 75<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** 11 / '''48''' / 105<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** 10 / '''33.75''' / 64<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** 12 / '''42.5''' / 88<br /> ** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br /> *** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> **** 10 / '''40.5''' / 80<br /> *** poisoned<br /> **** 12 / '''51''' / 110<br /> <br /> === +7 poisoned silver arrows (fired) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br /> * ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> *** non-silver: 10 / '''31.25''' / 60<br /> *** silver: 11 / '''57.5''' / 140<br /> ** poisoned<br /> *** non-silver: 11 / '''40''' / 84<br /> *** silver: 12 / '''66.25''' / 164<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> *** non-silver: 10 / '''33.75''' / 64<br /> *** silver: 12 / '''60''' / 144<br /> ** poisoned<br /> *** non-silver: 12 / '''42.5''' / 88<br /> *** silver: 13 / '''68.75''' / 168<br /> <br /> === +7 poisoned crossbow bolts (fired) ===<br /> <br /> * fired: no str bonus<br /> * expert crossbow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> ** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> *** small: 11 / '''31.25''' / 56<br /> *** large: 11 / '''33.75''' / 64<br /> ** poisoned<br /> *** small: 12 / '''37.5''' / 80<br /> *** large: 12 / '''40''' / 88<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** ranger heavyshot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br /> ** Note: Crossbows are heavyshot, so skill bonus is applied AFTER the damage multiplier, not before!<br /> ** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br /> *** small: 12 / '''29.25''' / 51<br /> *** large: 12 / '''31.75''' / 59<br /> ** poisoned<br /> *** small: 13 / '''35.5''' / 75<br /> *** large: 13 / '''38''' / 83<br /> <br /> === +7 silver spear ===<br /> <br /> * 18/** str: +6<br /> * skilled spear: +1<br /> * subtotal of bonuses: +7<br /> * non-silver<br /> ** small: 15 / '''17.5''' / 20<br /> ** large: 15 / '''18.5''' / 22<br /> * silver<br /> ** small: 16 / '''28''' / 40<br /> ** large: 16 / '''29''' / 42<br /> <br /> === +7 Stormbringer (chaotic crowning) ===<br /> <br /> * 18/** str: +6<br /> * basic broadsword: +0<br /> * resist<br /> ** small: 15 / '''18''' / 21<br /> ** large: 15 / '''17.5''' / 20<br /> * non-resist<br /> ** small: 17 / '''24''' / 31<br /> ** large: 17 / '''23.5''' / 30<br /> <br /> === +7 Grayswandir (wish only) ===<br /> <br /> * 18/** str: +6<br /> * restricted saber: -2 or -5 (DynaHack)<br /> * subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +1 (DynaHack)<br /> * NetHack<br /> ** non-silver: 20 / '''27''' / 34<br /> ** silver: 21 / '''37.5''' / 54<br /> * DynaHack<br /> ** non-silver: 17 / '''24''' / 31<br /> ** silver: 18 / '''34.5''' / 51<br /> <br /> Firing '''+7 poisoned arrows (silver if possible)''' is the way to go: it easily does damage comparable to even the mighty Grayswandir.<br /> <br /> '''A +7 silver spear does almost the same damage as +7 Stormbringer''' without the inconvenience of hitting peacefuls or increasing the artifact count. I don't know how other strong non-artifact weapons compare when enchanted to +7 though... maybe they're just as good?<br /> <br /> Looking at [[User:tungtn/Physical damage analysis/Grayswandir damage]] shows that '''+7 Grayswandir ALWAYS out-damages +7 Stormbringer, even at unskilled saber.'''<br /> <br /> == Late game damage breakdowns ==<br /> <br /> === +7 poisoned silver arrows ===<br /> <br /> 66.25 poison silver, 31.25 fully resisted:<br /> <br /> * '''+17.5 avg''' from enchantment<br /> ** +7 enchantment x2.5 avg ranger multishot<br /> * '''+26.25 avg''' from silver<br /> ** +10.5 avg silver damage x2.5 ranger multishot<br /> * '''+8.75 avg''' from poison<br /> ** +3.5 avg poison damage x2.5 ranger multishot<br /> * '''+8.75 avg''' from silver arrow base damage<br /> ** +3.5 avg base damage x2.5 ranger multishot<br /> * '''+5 avg''' from expert arrow skill<br /> ** +2 expert skill x2.5 ranger multishot<br /> <br /> === +7 silver spear ===<br /> <br /> 28/29 silver, 17.5/18.5 non-silver:<br /> <br /> * '''+7''' from enchantment<br /> * '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br /> * '''+10.5 avg''' from silver<br /> ** +d20 silver bonus damage<br /> * '''+3.5/4.5 avg''' from silver spear base damage<br /> * '''+1''' from skill<br /> ** skilled spear skill<br /> <br /> === +7 Stormbringer ===<br /> <br /> 24/23.5 drain, 18/17.5 drain resist:<br /> <br /> * '''+7''' from enchantment<br /> * '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br /> * '''+6 avg''' from Stormbringer draining effect<br /> ** +d2 Stormbringer bonus damage<br /> ** +d8 Stormbringer bonus draining effect<br /> * '''+5/4.5 avg''' from Stormbringer base damage<br /> ** 2d4/d6+1 broadsword base damage<br /> * '''+0''' from basic broadsword skill<br /> ** basic skill from chaotic crowning, rangers would otherwise have restricted broadsword skill<br /> <br /> === +7 Grayswandir ===<br /> <br /> 37.5 silver, 27 non-silver:<br /> <br /> * '''+14''' from enchantment<br /> ** +7 twice from Grayswandir<br /> * '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br /> * '''+10.5 avg''' from silver<br /> ** +d20 silver bonus damage<br /> * '''+9 avg''' from Grayswandir base damage<br /> ** d8 with double damage vs. all<br /> * '''-2''' from restricted saber skill</div>

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