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<p>Created page with "Conventionally, rangers almost exclusively on ranged combat, even in melee range. '''Ranger multishot note''': Rangers get +1 multishot (and heavyshot in DynaHack) for all pr..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Conventionally, rangers almost exclusively on ranged combat, even in melee range.<br />
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'''Ranger multishot note''': Rangers get +1 multishot (and heavyshot in DynaHack) for all projectiles.<br />
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'''DynaHack heavyshot note''': Heavyshot multiplies projectile base damage and enchantment, but does NOT include skill bonus! Definitely not intended.<br />
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== Early game ==<br />
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=== arrows (fired) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* basic bow: +0<br />
* normal ranger multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2<br />
** +0<br />
*** 1 / '''5.25''' / 12<br />
** +2<br />
*** 3 / '''8.25''' / 16<br />
* elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
** +0<br />
*** 1 / '''7''' / 18<br />
** +2<br />
*** 3 / '''11''' / 24<br />
<br />
=== crossbow bolts (fired) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* basic crossbow: +0<br />
* NetHack<br />
** ranger multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2<br />
** +0<br />
*** small: 2 / '''5.25''' / 10<br />
*** large: 2 / '''6.75''' / 14<br />
** +2<br />
*** small: 4 / '''8.25''' / 14<br />
*** large: 4 / '''9.75''' / 18<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** With +0 skill damage bonus, crossbow heavyshot does exactly the same damage as multishot in NetHack.<br />
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=== +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* basic dagger: +0<br />
* multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2<br />
* small: 1 / '''3.75''' / 8<br />
* large: 1 / '''3''' / 6<br />
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Crossbow bolts out-damage arrows, but elves and orcs (with matching racial bow and arrows) out-damage both.<br />
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Daggers do less damage than anything fired in the early game and should only be used to preserve ammo or train the dagger skill for later.<br />
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== Mid game ==<br />
<br />
=== poisoned arrows (fired) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
*** +0<br />
**** resist: 3 / '''13.75''' / 32<br />
**** non-resist: 4 / '''22.5''' / 56<br />
*** +2<br />
**** resist: 5 / '''18.75''' / 40<br />
**** non-resist: 6 / '''27.5''' / 64<br />
** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br />
*** +0<br />
**** resist: 3 / '''16.5''' / 40<br />
**** non-resist: 4 / '''27''' / 70<br />
*** +2<br />
**** resist: 5 / '''22.5''' / 50<br />
**** non-resist: 6 / '''33''' / 80<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
*** +0<br />
**** resist: 4 / '''16.25''' / 36<br />
**** non-resist: 5 / '''25''' / 60<br />
*** +2<br />
**** resist: 6 / '''21.25''' / 44<br />
**** non-resist: 7 / '''30''' / 68<br />
** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br />
*** +0<br />
**** resist: 4 / '''19.5''' / 45<br />
**** non-resist: 5 / '''30''' / 75<br />
*** +2<br />
**** resist: 6 / '''25.5''' / 55<br />
**** non-resist: 7 / '''36''' / 85<br />
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=== +0 poisoned silver arrows (fired, rare!) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
* NetHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** non-silver: 3 / '''13.75''' / 32<br />
*** silver: 4 / '''40''' / 112<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** non-silver: 4 / '''22.5''' / 56<br />
*** silver: 5 / '''48.75''' / 136<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** non-silver: 4 / '''16.25''' / 36<br />
*** silver: 5 / '''42.5''' / 116<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** non-silver: 5 / '''25''' / 60<br />
*** silver: 6 / '''51.25''' / 140<br />
<br />
=== poisoned crossbow bolts (fired) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* expert crossbow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
** +0<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 4 / '''13.75''' / 28<br />
**** large: 4 / '''16.25''' / 36<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 5 / '''20''' / 52<br />
**** large: 5 / '''22.5''' / 60<br />
** +2<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 6 / '''18.75''' / 36<br />
**** large: 6 / '''21.25''' / 44<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 7 / '''25''' / 60<br />
**** large: 7 / '''27.5''' / 68<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** ranger heavyshot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
** Note: Crossbows are heavyshot, so skill bonus is applied AFTER the damage multiplier, not before!<br />
** +0<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 5 / '''11.75''' / 23<br />
**** large: 5 / '''14.25''' / 31<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 6 / '''18''' / 47<br />
**** large: 6 / '''20.5''' / 55<br />
** +2<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 7 / '''16.75''' / 31<br />
**** large: 7 / '''19.25''' / 39<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 8 / '''23''' / 55<br />
**** large: 8 / '''25.5''' / 63<br />
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=== +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
* NetHack<br />
** small: 3 / '''11.25''' / 24<br />
** large: 3 / '''10''' / 20<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** small: 4 / '''13.75''' / 28<br />
** large: 4 / '''12.5''' / 24<br />
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'''Poisoned arrows out-damage thrown daggers''' by 20% against poison-resistant monsters, and by a whopping 100% against monsters weak to poison!<br />
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'''Poisoned arrow damage''' (22.5 average for +0 expert ranger multishot) '''approaches average damage of +7 artifact weapons of late game characters!'''<br />
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Making heavyshot work on crossbows the way they currently do in DynaHack actually '''REDUCES crossbow damage by 10%''' compared to NetHack where they multishot instead; definitely NOT intended. Heavyshot should probably be applied in hmon_hitmon() instead of dmgval().<br />
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== Late game ==<br />
<br />
=== +7 poisoned arrows (fired) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** 10 / '''31.25''' / 60<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** 11 / '''40''' / 84<br />
** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** 10 / '''37.5''' / 75<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** 11 / '''48''' / 105<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** normal ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** 10 / '''33.75''' / 64<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** 12 / '''42.5''' / 88<br />
** elf/orc ranger multishot: x1 / x3 / x5<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** 10 / '''40.5''' / 80<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** 12 / '''51''' / 110<br />
<br />
=== +7 poisoned silver arrows (fired) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* expert bow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
* NetHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** non-silver: 10 / '''31.25''' / 60<br />
*** silver: 11 / '''57.5''' / 140<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** non-silver: 11 / '''40''' / 84<br />
*** silver: 12 / '''66.25''' / 164<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** non-silver: 10 / '''33.75''' / 64<br />
*** silver: 12 / '''60''' / 144<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** non-silver: 12 / '''42.5''' / 88<br />
*** silver: 13 / '''68.75''' / 168<br />
<br />
=== +7 poisoned crossbow bolts (fired) ===<br />
<br />
* fired: no str bonus<br />
* expert crossbow: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** ranger multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 11 / '''31.25''' / 56<br />
*** large: 11 / '''33.75''' / 64<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 12 / '''37.5''' / 80<br />
*** large: 12 / '''40''' / 88<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** ranger heavyshot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
** Note: Crossbows are heavyshot, so skill bonus is applied AFTER the damage multiplier, not before!<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 12 / '''29.25''' / 51<br />
*** large: 12 / '''31.75''' / 59<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 13 / '''35.5''' / 75<br />
*** large: 13 / '''38''' / 83<br />
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=== +7 silver spear ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* skilled spear: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +7<br />
* non-silver<br />
** small: 15 / '''17.5''' / 20<br />
** large: 15 / '''18.5''' / 22<br />
* silver<br />
** small: 16 / '''28''' / 40<br />
** large: 16 / '''29''' / 42<br />
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=== +7 Stormbringer (chaotic crowning) ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* basic broadsword: +0<br />
* resist<br />
** small: 15 / '''18''' / 21<br />
** large: 15 / '''17.5''' / 20<br />
* non-resist<br />
** small: 17 / '''24''' / 31<br />
** large: 17 / '''23.5''' / 30<br />
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=== +7 Grayswandir (wish only) ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* restricted saber: -2 or -5 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +1 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-silver: 20 / '''27''' / 34<br />
** silver: 21 / '''37.5''' / 54<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-silver: 17 / '''24''' / 31<br />
** silver: 18 / '''34.5''' / 51<br />
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Firing '''+7 poisoned arrows (silver if possible)''' is the way to go: it easily does damage comparable to even the mighty Grayswandir.<br />
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'''A +7 silver spear does almost the same damage as +7 Stormbringer''' without the inconvenience of hitting peacefuls or increasing the artifact count. I don't know how other strong non-artifact weapons compare when enchanted to +7 though... maybe they're just as good?<br />
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Looking at [[User:tungtn/Physical damage analysis/Grayswandir damage]] shows that '''+7 Grayswandir ALWAYS out-damages +7 Stormbringer, even at unskilled saber.'''<br />
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== Late game damage breakdowns ==<br />
<br />
=== +7 poisoned silver arrows ===<br />
<br />
66.25 poison silver, 31.25 fully resisted:<br />
<br />
* '''+17.5 avg''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 enchantment x2.5 avg ranger multishot<br />
* '''+26.25 avg''' from silver<br />
** +10.5 avg silver damage x2.5 ranger multishot<br />
* '''+8.75 avg''' from poison<br />
** +3.5 avg poison damage x2.5 ranger multishot<br />
* '''+8.75 avg''' from silver arrow base damage<br />
** +3.5 avg base damage x2.5 ranger multishot<br />
* '''+5 avg''' from expert arrow skill<br />
** +2 expert skill x2.5 ranger multishot<br />
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=== +7 silver spear ===<br />
<br />
28/29 silver, 17.5/18.5 non-silver:<br />
<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment<br />
* '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br />
* '''+10.5 avg''' from silver<br />
** +d20 silver bonus damage<br />
* '''+3.5/4.5 avg''' from silver spear base damage<br />
* '''+1''' from skill<br />
** skilled spear skill<br />
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=== +7 Stormbringer ===<br />
<br />
24/23.5 drain, 18/17.5 drain resist:<br />
<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment<br />
* '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br />
* '''+6 avg''' from Stormbringer draining effect<br />
** +d2 Stormbringer bonus damage<br />
** +d8 Stormbringer bonus draining effect<br />
* '''+5/4.5 avg''' from Stormbringer base damage<br />
** 2d4/d6+1 broadsword base damage<br />
* '''+0''' from basic broadsword skill<br />
** basic skill from chaotic crowning, rangers would otherwise have restricted broadsword skill<br />
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=== +7 Grayswandir ===<br />
<br />
37.5 silver, 27 non-silver:<br />
<br />
* '''+14''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 twice from Grayswandir<br />
* '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br />
* '''+10.5 avg''' from silver<br />
** +d20 silver bonus damage<br />
* '''+9 avg''' from Grayswandir base damage<br />
** d8 with double damage vs. all<br />
* '''-2''' from restricted saber skill</div>
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