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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Rogues get a +d(XL) damage bonus for melee and thrown hits for fleeing monsters when NOT two-weaponing.<br />
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Backstab applies for each hit.<br />
<br />
''Backstab is applied BEFORE artifact double damage!''<br />
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When comparing damage, add (XL+1)/2 for each hit if not two weaponing.<br />
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Rogues get +1 multishot with daggers of any kind.<br />
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Rogues start with a potion of sickness, allowing poisoned darts to be created earlier than other roles.<br />
<br />
== Early game (experience level 1) ==<br />
<br />
=== +0 short sword ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* basic skill: +0<br />
* non-backstab<br />
** 1 / '''3.5''' / 6<br />
* backstab (+d1)<br />
** 2 / '''4.5''' / 7<br />
<br />
=== +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* basic dagger: +0<br />
* rogue multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2<br />
* non-backstab<br />
** small: 1 / '''3.75''' / 8<br />
** large: 1 / '''3''' / 6<br />
* backstab (+d1)<br />
** small: 2 / '''5.25''' / 10<br />
** large: 2 / '''4.5''' / 8<br />
<br />
=== +0 poisoned darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* unskilled dart: -2<br />
* multishot: x1 / x1 / x1<br />
* non-backstab<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 1 / '''1''' / 1<br />
*** large: 1 / '''1''' / 1<br />
** poisoned (applied after other bonuses/penalties)<br />
*** small: 2 / '''4.5''' / 7<br />
*** large: 2 / '''4.5''' / 7<br />
* backstab (+d1)<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 2 / '''2''' / 2<br />
*** large: 2 / '''2''' / 2<br />
** poisoned (applied after other bonuses/penalties)<br />
*** small: 3 / '''5.5''' / 8<br />
*** large: 3 / '''5.5''' / 8<br />
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In the early game, thrown daggers out-damage the starting short sword. Poisoned darts do respectable damage if they hit monsters that don't resist poison.<br />
<br />
== Mid game (experience level 10) ==<br />
<br />
=== +0 elven short sword ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
* expert short sword: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +5 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** 5 / '''8.5''' / 12<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** 6 / '''14''' / 22<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** 6 / '''9.5''' / 13<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** 7 / '''15''' / 23<br />
<br />
=== +0 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
* expert knife: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +5 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** 5 / '''9.5''' / 14<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** 6 / '''15''' / 24<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** 6 / '''10.5''' / 15<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** 7 / '''16''' / 25<br />
<br />
=== +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* rogue multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** small: 3 / '''11.25''' / 24<br />
*** large: 3 / '''10''' / 20<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** small: 4 / '''25''' / 64<br />
*** large: 4 / '''23.75''' / 60<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** small: 4 / '''13.75''' / 28<br />
*** large: 4 / '''12.5''' / 24<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** small: 5 / '''27.5''' / 68<br />
*** large: 5 / '''26.25''' / 64<br />
<br />
=== +0 poisoned darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 3 / '''8''' / 15<br />
**** large: 3 / '''7''' / 12<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 4 / '''15''' / 33<br />
**** large: 4 / '''14''' / 30<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 4 / '''19''' / 45<br />
**** large: 4 / '''18''' / 42<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 5 / '''26''' / 63<br />
**** large: 5 / '''25''' / 60<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 4 / '''10''' / 18<br />
**** large: 4 / '''9''' / 15<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 5 / '''17''' / 36<br />
**** large: 5 / '''16''' / 33<br />
** backstab (+d10)<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 5 / '''21''' / 48<br />
**** large: 5 / '''20''' / 45<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 6 / '''28''' / 66<br />
**** large: 6 / '''27''' / 63<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +0 elven short sword, +0 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* expert short sword, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)<br />
* expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +6 or +8 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** 8 / '''16''' / 24<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** 10 / '''18''' / 26<br />
<br />
=== +0 Stormbringer (sacrifice) ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
* skilled broadsword: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +3<br />
* non-backstab<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 5 / '''8''' / 11<br />
*** large: 5 / '''7.5''' / 10<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 7 / '''14''' / 21<br />
*** large: 7 / '''13.5''' / 20<br />
* backstab (+d10)<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 6 / '''13.5''' / 21<br />
*** large: 6 / '''13''' / 20<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 8 / '''19.5''' / 31<br />
*** large: 8 / '''19''' / 30<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +0 Stormbringer, +0 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled broadsword, expert two-weapon: +0<br />
* expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +5 or +6 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 8 / '''15.5''' / 23<br />
*** large: 8 / '''15''' / 22<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 10 / '''21.5''' / 33<br />
*** large: 10 / '''21''' / 32<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 9 / '''16.5''' / 24<br />
*** large: 9 / '''16''' / 23<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 11 / '''22.5''' / 34<br />
*** large: 11 / '''22''' / 33<br />
<br />
== Late game (experience level 15) ==<br />
<br />
=== +7 Stormbringer (sacrifice) ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* skilled broadsword: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +7<br />
* non-backstab<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 16 / '''19''' / 22<br />
*** large: 16 / '''18.5''' / 21<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 18 / '''25''' / 32<br />
*** large: 18 / '''24.5''' / 31<br />
* backstab (+d15 = 1 / 8 / 15)<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 17 / '''27''' / 37<br />
*** large: 17 / '''26.5''' / 36<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 19 / '''33''' / 47<br />
*** large: 19 / '''32.5''' / 46<br />
<br />
=== +7 Grayswandir ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* skilled saber: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +7<br />
* non-backstab<br />
** non-silver: 23 / '''30''' / 37<br />
** silver: 24 / '''40.5''' / 57<br />
* backstab (+d15 BEFORE double damage)<br />
** non-silver: 25 / '''46''' / 67<br />
** silver: 26 / '''56.5''' / 87<br />
<br />
=== +7 Frost Brand ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* skilled long sword: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +7<br />
* non-backstab<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 15 / '''18.5''' / 22<br />
*** large: 15 / '''20.5''' / 26<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 23 / '''30''' / 37<br />
*** large: 23 / '''34''' / 45<br />
* backstab (+d15 BEFORE double damage)<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 24 / '''41.5''' / 59<br />
*** large: 24 / '''43.5''' / 63<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 32 / '''53''' / 74<br />
*** large: 32 / '''57''' / 82<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 Stormbringer, +7 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled broadsword, expert two-weapon: +0<br />
* expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +13 or +14 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 30 / '''37.5''' / 45<br />
*** large: 30 / '''37''' / 44<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 32 / '''43.5''' / 55<br />
*** large: 32 / '''43''' / 54<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 31 / '''38.5''' / 46<br />
*** large: 31 / '''38''' / 45<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 33 / '''44.5''' / 56<br />
*** large: 33 / '''44''' / 55<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 Grayswandir, +7 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled saber, expert two-weapon: +0<br />
* expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +13 or +14 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-silver: 37 / '''48.5''' / 60<br />
** silver: 38 / '''59''' / 80<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-silver: 38 / '''49.5''' / 61<br />
** silver: 39 / '''60''' / 81<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 Frost Brand, +7 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled long sword, expert two-weapon: +0<br />
* expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +13 or +14 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 29 / '''36''' / 45<br />
*** large: 29 / '''39''' / 49<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 37 / '''48.5''' / 60<br />
*** large: 37 / '''52.5''' / 68<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 30 / '''37''' / 46<br />
*** large: 30 / '''40''' / 50<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 38 / '''49.5''' / 61<br />
*** large: 38 / '''53.5''' / 69<br />
<br />
=== +7 silver daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* rogue multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** non-silver<br />
**** small: 10 / '''28.75''' / 52<br />
**** large: 10 / '''27.5''' / 48<br />
*** silver<br />
**** small: 11 / '''55''' / 132<br />
**** large: 11 / '''53.75''' / 128<br />
** backstab (+d15)<br />
*** non-silver<br />
**** small: 11 / '''48.75''' / 112<br />
**** large: 11 / '''47.5''' / 108<br />
*** silver<br />
**** small: 12 / '''75''' / 192<br />
**** large: 12 / '''73.75''' / 188<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** non-silver<br />
**** small: 11 / '''31.25''' / 56<br />
**** large: 11 / '''30''' / 52<br />
*** silver<br />
**** small: 12 / '''57.5''' / 136<br />
**** large: 12 / '''56.25''' / 132<br />
** backstab (+d15)<br />
*** non-silver<br />
**** small: 12 / '''51.25''' / 116<br />
**** large: 12 / '''50''' / 112<br />
*** silver<br />
**** small: 13 / '''77.5''' / 196<br />
**** large: 13 / '''76.25''' / 192<br />
<br />
=== +7 poisoned darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 10 / '''22''' / 36<br />
**** large: 10 / '''21''' / 33<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 11 / '''29''' / 54<br />
**** large: 11 / '''28''' / 51<br />
** backstab (+d15)<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 11 / '''38''' / 81<br />
**** large: 11 / '''37''' / 78<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 12 / '''45''' / 99<br />
**** large: 12 / '''44''' / 96<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-backstab<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 11 / '''24''' / 39<br />
**** large: 11 / '''23''' / 36<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 12 / '''31''' / 57<br />
**** large: 12 / '''30''' / 54<br />
** backstab (+d15)<br />
*** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
**** small: 12 / '''40''' / 84<br />
**** large: 12 / '''39''' / 81<br />
*** poisoned<br />
**** small: 13 / '''47''' / 102<br />
**** large: 13 / '''46''' / 99<br />
<br />
== Late game damage breakdowns ==<br />
<br />
=== +7 Stormbringer ===<br />
<br />
33/32.5 non-resist XL 15 backstab, 19/18.5 resist non-backstab:<br />
<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment<br />
* '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br />
* '''+6 avg''' from Stormbringer draining effect<br />
** +d2 Stormbringer bonus damage<br />
** +d8 Stormbringer bonus draining effect<br />
* '''+5/4.5 avg''' from Stormbringer base damage<br />
** 2d4/d6+1 broadsword base damage<br />
* '''+1''' from skilled broadsword<br />
* '''+8 avg''' from XL 15 rogue backstab<br />
** +d15 bonus backstab damage<br />
<br />
=== +7 Grayswandir ===<br />
<br />
56.5 silver XL 15 backstab, 30 non-silver non-backstab:<br />
<br />
* '''+14''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 twice from Grayswandir<br />
* '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br />
* '''+10.5 avg''' from silver<br />
** +d20 silver bonus damage<br />
* '''+9 avg''' from Grayswandir base damage<br />
* '''+1''' from skilled saber skill<br />
* '''+16 avg''' from XL 15 rogue backstab<br />
** +d15 bonus backstab damage, DOUBLED by Grayswandir... yes, rogue backstab is affected by artifact double damage, I checked the source<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 Stormbringer and +7 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
43.5/43 drain, 37.5/37 drain resist:<br />
<br />
* '''+14''' from enchantment<br />
* '''+12''' from 18/** strength<br />
** +6 applies for both hits<br />
* '''+6 avg''' from Stormbringer draining effect<br />
** +d2 Stormbringer bonus damage<br />
** +d8 bonus draining<br />
* '''+5/4.5 avg''' from Stormbringer base damage<br />
** 2d4/d6+1 broadsword base damage<br />
* '''+5.5 avg''' from crysknife base damage<br />
* '''+0''' from expert two-weapon and skilled broadsword<br />
* '''+1''' from expert two-weapon and expert knife<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 Grayswandir and +7 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
59 silver, 48.5 non-silver:<br />
<br />
* '''+21''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 twice from Grayswandir<br />
** +7 from crysknife<br />
* '''+12''' from 18/** strength<br />
** +6 applies to both hits<br />
* '''+10.5 avg''' from silver<br />
** +d20 silver bonus damage<br />
* '''+9 avg''' from Grayswandir base damage<br />
* '''+5.5 avg''' from crysknife base damage<br />
* '''+0''' from expert two-weapon and skilled saber<br />
* '''+1''' from expert two-weapon and expert knife<br />
<br />
=== +7 silver daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
75/73.75 silver XL15 backstab, 28.75/27.5 non-silver non-backstab:<br />
<br />
* '''+17.5 avg''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 enchantment x2.5 rogue multishot<br />
* '''+26.25 avg''' from silver<br />
** +10.5 avg silver damage x2.5 rogue multishot<br />
* '''+6.25/5 avg''' from silver dagger base damage<br />
** +2.5/2 dagger base damage x2.5 rogue multishot<br />
* '''+5 avg''' from skill<br />
** +2 expert dagger x2.5 rogue multishot<br />
* '''+20 avg''' from XL 15 backstab<br />
** +d15 backstab x2.5 rogue multishot</div>
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