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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>'''Note''': Tourist strength starts lower than most roles and therefore will almost always be a bit lower on average, meaning slightly lower damage on average in the early and mid game.<br />
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== Early game ==<br />
<br />
=== +2 darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* basic dart: +0<br />
* multishot: x1 / x1 / x1<br />
* unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
** small: 3 / '''4''' / 5<br />
** large: 3 / '''3.5''' / 4<br />
* poisoned<br />
** small: 4 / '''7.5''' / 11<br />
** large: 4 / '''7''' / 10<br />
<br />
=== +0 dagger ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* unskilled dagger: -2<br />
* small: 1 / '''1.25''' / 2<br />
* large: 1 / '''1''' / 1<br />
<br />
=== +0 short sword ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* unskilled short sword: -2<br />
* small: 1 / '''2''' / 4<br />
* large: 1 / '''2.875''' / 6<br />
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It's worth comparing the unskilled damage here to the regular damage in [[User:tungtn/Physical damage analysis/Common weapon damage]] which shows that advancing to basic to lose the -2 damage from unskilled boosts damage by a lot.<br />
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Tourists in the early game should favor weapons with high damage dice, in whatever form they come, since those weapons are the least impacted by the unskilled -2 damage penalty.<br />
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== Mid game ==<br />
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'''Note''': Using "start str" here instead of "18 str", since tourists are unlikely to get 18 str by the mid game.<br />
<br />
=== +2 darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 5 / '''12''' / 21<br />
*** large: 5 / '''11''' / 18<br />
** poisoned (applied after other bonuses/penalties)<br />
*** small: 6 / '''19''' / 39<br />
*** large: 6 / '''18''' / 36<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 6 / '''14''' / 24<br />
*** large: 6 / '''13''' / 21<br />
** poisoned (applied after other bonuses/penalties)<br />
*** small: 7 / '''21''' / 42<br />
*** large: 7 / '''20''' / 39<br />
<br />
=== +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** small: 3 / '''9''' / 18<br />
** large: 3 / '''8''' / 15<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** small: 4 / '''11''' / 21<br />
** large: 4 / '''10''' / 18<br />
<br />
=== +0 dwarvish mattock ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0 or +0 (x2 two-handed in DynaHack)<br />
* basic pick-axe: +0<br />
* small: 1 / '''6.5''' / 12<br />
* large: 3 / '''11.5''' / 20<br />
<br />
=== +0 long sword ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* basic long sword: +0<br />
* small: 1 / '''4.5''' / 8<br />
* large: 1 / '''6.5''' / 12<br />
<br />
=== +0 unicorn horn ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0 or +0 (x2 two-handed in DynaHack)<br />
* skilled unicorn horn: +1<br />
* 2 / '''7.5''' / 13<br />
<br />
=== +0 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* skilled knife: +1<br />
* 2 / '''6.5''' / 11<br />
<br />
=== +0 silver saber (rare!) ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* skilled saber: +1<br />
* non-silver: 2 / '''5.5''' / 9<br />
* silver: 3 / '''16''' / 29<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +0 crysknife, +0 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled two-weapon, skilled knife: +0<br />
* 2 / '''11''' / 20<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +0 silver saber, +0 silver saber (rare!) ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled two-weapon, skilled saber: +0<br />
* non-silver: 2 / '''9''' / 16<br />
* silver: 4 / '''30''' / 56<br />
<br />
== Late game ==<br />
<br />
=== +7 unicorn horn ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6 or +12 (x2 two-handed in DynaHack)<br />
* skilled unicorn horn: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +7 or +13 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** 15 / '''20.5''' / 26<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** 21 / '''26.5''' / 32<br />
<br />
=== +7 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* skilled knife: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +7<br />
* 15 / '''19.5''' / 24<br />
<br />
=== +7 darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 10 / '''22''' / 36<br />
*** large: 10 / '''21''' / 33<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 11 / '''29''' / 54<br />
*** large: 11 / '''28''' / 51<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 11 / '''24''' / 39<br />
*** large: 11 / '''23''' / 36<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 12 / '''31''' / 57<br />
*** large: 12 / '''30''' / 54<br />
<br />
=== +7 silver daggers (thrown, rare!) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-silver<br />
*** small: 10 / '''23''' / 39<br />
*** large: 10 / '''22''' / 36<br />
** silver<br />
*** small: 11 / '''44''' / 99<br />
*** large: 11 / '''43''' / 96<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-silver<br />
*** small: 11 / '''25''' / 42<br />
*** large: 11 / '''24''' / 39<br />
** silver<br />
*** small: 12 / '''46''' / 102<br />
*** large: 12 / '''45''' / 99<br />
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=== +7 silver saber ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
* skilled saber: +1<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +7<br />
* non-silver: 15 / '''18.5''' / 22<br />
* silver: 16 / '''29''' / 42<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 crysknife, +7 crysknife ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled two-weapon, skilled knife: +0<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +12<br />
* 27 / '''31.5''' / 36<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 silver saber, +7 silver saber ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled two-weapon, skilled saber: +0<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +12<br />
* non-silver: 28 / '''35''' / 42<br />
* silver: 30 / '''56''' / 82<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 Grayswandir, +7 silver saber ===<br />
<br />
* 18/** str: +6<br />
** applied twice for two-weapon<br />
* skilled two-weapon, skilled saber: +0<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +12<br />
* non-silver: 36 / '''46.5''' / 57<br />
* silver: 38 / '''67.5''' / 97<br />
<br />
== Late game damage breakdowns ==<br />
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=== +7 unicorn horn ===<br />
<br />
20.5:<br />
<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment<br />
* '''+6''' from 18/** strength<br />
* '''+6.5 avg''' from unicorn horn base damage<br />
* '''+1''' from skilled unicorn horn skill<br />
<br />
=== +7 poisoned darts ===<br />
<br />
29/28 poison, 22/21 poison resist:<br />
<br />
* '''+14 avg''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 enchantment x2 multishot<br />
* '''+7 avg''' from poison<br />
** d6 poison x2 multishot<br />
* '''+4/3 avg''' from dart base damage<br />
* '''+4 avg''' from skill<br />
** +2 from expert dart skill x2 multishot<br />
<br />
=== two-weapon +7 Grayswandir, +7 silver saber ===<br />
<br />
67.5 silver, 46.5 non-silver:<br />
<br />
* '''+21''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 twice from Grayswandir<br />
** +7 from silver saber<br />
* '''+12''' from 18/** strength<br />
** +6 applies for both hits<br />
* '''+21 avg''' from silver<br />
** +10.5 avg silver bonus damage for both hits<br />
* '''+9 avg''' from Grayswandir base damage<br />
* '''+4.5 avg''' from silver saber base damage<br />
* '''+0''' from skill<br />
** +0 from skilled two-weapon and skilled saber for both hits</div>
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