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<p>Created page with "'''Note''': Wizards need early game damage good enough to last until they get a good spell, or they gain access to an altar and get themselves Magicbane. '''Note on strength'..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>'''Note''': Wizards need early game damage good enough to last until they get a good spell, or they gain access to an altar and get themselves Magicbane.<br />
<br />
'''Note on strength''': Due to their low starting strength (10 str average), mid game strength will be assumed to give the same bonus as starting strength (instead of 18 str), and late game strength will assume 18 str (instead of 18/** str).<br />
<br />
== Early game ==<br />
<br />
=== +0 quarterstaff ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0 or +0 (x2 two-handed in DynaHack)<br />
* basic skill: +0<br />
* 1 / '''3.5''' / 6<br />
<br />
=== +0 dagger (melee) ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* unskilled dagger: -2<br />
* small: 1 / '''1.25''' / 2<br />
* large: 1 / '''1''' / 1<br />
<br />
=== +0 darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* unskilled dart: -2<br />
* multishot: x1 / x1 / x1<br />
* unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
** small: 1 / '''1''' / 1<br />
** large: 1 / '''1''' / 1<br />
* poisoned (applied after other bonuses/penalties)<br />
** small: 2 / '''4.5''' / 7<br />
** large: 2 / '''4.5''' / 7<br />
<br />
=== rocks (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* no skill bonus<br />
* 1 / '''1.5''' / 2<br />
<br />
== Mid game ==<br />
<br />
=== +0 elven dagger (melee) ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** small: 3 / '''5''' / 7<br />
** large: 3 / '''4''' / 5<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** small: 4 / '''6''' / 8<br />
** large: 4 / '''5''' / 6<br />
<br />
=== +0 daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** small: 3 / '''9''' / 18<br />
** large: 3 / '''8''' / 15<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** small: 4 / '''11''' / 21<br />
** large: 4 / '''10''' / 18<br />
<br />
=== +0 darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 3 / '''8''' / 15<br />
*** large: 3 / '''7''' / 12<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 4 / '''15''' / 33<br />
*** large: 4 / '''14''' / 30<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 4 / '''10''' / 18<br />
*** large: 4 / '''9''' / 15<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 5 / '''17''' / 36<br />
*** large: 5 / '''16''' / 33<br />
<br />
=== +0 Sting ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-orcs<br />
*** small: 3 / '''5''' / 7<br />
*** large: 3 / '''4''' / 5<br />
** orcs<br />
*** small: 4 / '''8''' / 12<br />
*** large: 4 / '''6''' / 8<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-orcs<br />
*** small: 4 / '''6''' / 8<br />
*** large: 4 / '''5''' / 6<br />
** orcs<br />
*** small: 5 / '''9''' / 13<br />
*** large: 5 / '''7''' / 9<br />
<br />
=== +0 Magicbane ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 4 / '''6.86''' / 18<br />
*** large: 4 / '''6.36''' / 17<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 5 / '''9.66''' / 26<br />
*** large: 5 / '''9.16''' / 25<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** resist<br />
*** small: 5 / '''7.86''' / 19<br />
*** large: 5 / '''7.36''' / 18<br />
** non-resist<br />
*** small: 6 / '''10.66''' / 27<br />
*** large: 6 / '''10.16''' / 26<br />
<br />
=== +0 Staff of Aesculapius ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0 or +0 (2x two-handed in DynaHack)<br />
* expert quarterstaff: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** resist: 3 / '''5.5''' / 8<br />
** non-resist: 5 / '''13.5''' / 22<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** resist: 4 / '''6.5''' / 9<br />
** non-resist: 6 / '''14.5''' / 23<br />
<br />
=== +0 Frost Brand (sacrifice gift) ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* basic long sword: +0<br />
* resist<br />
** small: 1 / '''4.5''' / 8<br />
** large: 1 / '''6.5''' / 12<br />
* non-resist<br />
** small: 2 / '''9''' / 16<br />
** large: 2 / '''13''' / 24<br />
<br />
=== +0 Grayswandir (wish) ===<br />
<br />
* start str: +0<br />
* restricted saber: -2 or -5 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-silver: 1 / '''7.125''' / 14<br />
** silver: 1 / '''17.5''' / 34<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-silver: 1 / '''4.75''' / 11<br />
** silver: 1 / '''14.5''' / 31<br />
<br />
== Late game ==<br />
<br />
=== +7 silver daggers (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-silver<br />
*** small: 10 / '''23''' / 39<br />
*** large: 10 / '''22''' / 36<br />
** silver<br />
*** small: 11 / '''44''' / 99<br />
*** large: 11 / '''43''' / 96<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-silver<br />
*** small: 11 / '''25''' / 42<br />
*** large: 11 / '''24''' / 39<br />
** silver<br />
*** small: 12 / '''46''' / 102<br />
*** large: 12 / '''45''' / 99<br />
<br />
=== +7 darts (thrown) ===<br />
<br />
* thrown: no str bonus<br />
* expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* multishot: x1 / x2 / x3<br />
* NetHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 10 / '''22''' / 36<br />
*** large: 10 / '''21''' / 33<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 11 / '''29''' / 54<br />
*** large: 11 / '''28''' / 51<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** unpoisoned/poison-resist<br />
*** small: 11 / '''24''' / 39<br />
*** large: 11 / '''23''' / 36<br />
** poisoned<br />
*** small: 12 / '''31''' / 57<br />
*** large: 12 / '''30''' / 54<br />
<br />
=== Magicbane ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
* expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +5<br />
* +2<br />
** NetHack<br />
*** resist<br />
**** small: 8 / '''10.57''' / 22<br />
**** large: 8 / '''10.07''' / 21<br />
*** non-resist<br />
**** small: 9 / '''13.48''' / 30<br />
**** large: 9 / '''12.98''' / 29<br />
** DynaHack<br />
*** resist<br />
**** small: 9 / '''11.57''' / 23<br />
**** large: 9 / '''11.07''' / 22<br />
*** non-resist<br />
**** small: 10 / '''14.48''' / 31<br />
**** large: 10 / '''13.98''' / 30<br />
* +7<br />
** NetHack<br />
*** resist<br />
**** small: 13 / '''14.5''' / 27<br />
**** large: 13 / '''14''' / 26<br />
*** non-resist<br />
**** small: 14 / '''17.4''' / 35<br />
**** large: 14 / '''16.9''' / 34<br />
** DynaHack<br />
*** resist<br />
**** small: 14 / '''15.5''' / 28<br />
**** large: 14 / '''15''' / 27<br />
*** non-resist<br />
**** small: 15 / '''18.4''' / 36<br />
**** large: 15 / '''17.9''' / 35<br />
<br />
=== +7 Staff of Aesculapius ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2 or +4 (2x two-handed in DynaHack)<br />
* expert quarterstaff: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +7 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** resist: 12 / '''14.5''' / 17<br />
** non-resist: 21 / '''29.5''' / 38<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** resist: 15 / '''17.5''' / 20<br />
** non-resist: 24 / '''32.5''' / 41<br />
<br />
=== +7 Frost Brand (sacrifice gift) ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
* basic long sword: +0<br />
* resist<br />
** small: 10 / '''13.5''' / 17<br />
** large: 10 / '''15.5''' / 21<br />
* non-resist<br />
** small: 18 / '''25''' / 32<br />
** large: 18 / '''29''' / 40<br />
<br />
=== +7 Grayswandir (wish) ===<br />
<br />
* 18 str: +2<br />
* restricted saber: -2 or -5 (DynaHack)<br />
* subtotal of bonuses: +0 or -3 (DynaHack)<br />
* NetHack<br />
** non-silver: 16 / '''23''' / 30<br />
** silver: 17 / '''33.5''' / 50<br />
* DynaHack<br />
** non-silver: 13 / '''20''' / 27<br />
** silver: 14 / '''30.5''' / 47<br />
<br />
== Late game damage breakdowns ==<br />
<br />
=== +7 silver daggers ===<br />
<br />
44/43 silver, 23/22 non-silver:<br />
<br />
* '''+14 avg''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 enchantment x2 multishot<br />
* '''+21 avg''' from silver<br />
** +10.5 avg silver damage x2 multishot<br />
* '''+5/4 avg''' from silver dagger base damage<br />
** d4/d3 base damage x2 multishot<br />
* '''+4 avg''' from skill<br />
** +2 from expert dagger skill x2 multishot<br />
<br />
=== +7 poisoned darts ===<br />
<br />
29/28 poison, 22/21 poison resist:<br />
<br />
* '''+14 avg''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 enchantment x2 multishot<br />
* '''+7 avg''' from poison<br />
** d6 poison x2 multishot<br />
* '''+4/3 avg''' from dart base damage<br />
* '''+4 avg''' from skill<br />
** +2 from expert dart skill x2 multishot<br />
<br />
=== +2 Magicbane ===<br />
<br />
13.48/12.98, 10.57/10.07 resisted:<br />
<br />
* '''+2.91 avg''' from Magicbane effects<br />
** derived from wiki calculations, I have no idea exactly how Magicbane does its damage<br />
* '''+6.57/6.07 avg''' from +2 Magicbane damage<br />
** derived from wiki calculations, I have no idea exactly how Magicbane does its damage<br />
* '''+2''' from 18 strength<br />
** nothing stops a wizard gaining 18/** strength for the full +6 bonus (race permitting), but most players don't bother<br />
* '''+2''' from expert dagger skill<br />
<br />
=== +7 Staff of Aesculapius ===<br />
<br />
29.5 drain, 14.5 drain resist:<br />
<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment (base)<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment (if not drain resistant)<br />
* '''+2''' from 18 strength<br />
** nothing stops a wizard gaining 18/** strength for the full +6 bonus (race permitting), but most players don't bother<br />
* '''+3.5 avg''' from Staff of Aesculapius base damage<br />
* '''+3.5 avg''' from Staff of Aesculapius base damage if not drain resistant<br />
* '''+4.5 avg''' from Staff of Aesculapius draining<br />
* '''+2''' from expert quarterstaff skill<br />
<br />
=== +7 Frost Brand ===<br />
<br />
25/29 cold, 13.5/15.5 cold resist:<br />
<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment (base)<br />
* '''+7''' from enchantment (if not cold resistant)<br />
* '''+2''' from 18 strength<br />
** nothing stops a wizard gaining 18/** strength for the full +6 bonus (race permitting), but most players don't bother<br />
* '''+4.5/6.5 avg''' from Frost Brand cold<br />
* '''+4.5/6.5 avg''' from Frost Brand base damage<br />
* '''+0''' from basic long sword skill<br />
** sacrifice gifts unlock the weapon skill of the gift<br />
<br />
=== +7 Grayswandir ===<br />
<br />
33.5 silver, 23 non-silver:<br />
<br />
* '''+14''' from enchantment<br />
** +7 twice from Grayswandir<br />
* '''+2''' from 18 strength<br />
** nothing stops a wizard gaining 18/** strength for the full +6 bonus (race permitting), but most players don't bother<br />
* '''+10.5 avg''' from silver<br />
* '''+9 avg''' from Grayswandir base damage<br />
** d8 with double damage vs. all<br />
* '''-2''' from unskilled saber skill</div>
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