User talk:Ais523 - Revision history

Choedev: /* About the "aligned cleric" article */

2026-05-05T12:59:57Z

‎About the "aligned cleric" article

Ais523: /* About the "aligned cleric" article */ explain

2026-05-05T10:12:09Z

‎About the "aligned cleric" article: explain

Choedev: /* About the "aligned cleric" article */ new section

2026-05-05T10:03:07Z

‎About the "aligned cleric" article: new section

Umbire the Phantom: /* Refsrc template */ new section

2025-07-26T21:14:24Z

‎Refsrc template: new section

Ais523: /* Escape item: confused blessed genocide */ date

2024-06-17T23:50:53Z

‎Escape item: confused blessed genocide: date

Ais523: /* Escape item: confused blessed genocide */ apparently it's the same as the non-confused version, which is not how I remembered the mechanic working

2024-06-17T23:50:41Z

‎Escape item: confused blessed genocide: apparently it's the same as the non-confused version, which is not how I remembered the mechanic working

Furey: I think confused blessed genocide is fine. Can you check again?

2024-06-17T23:43:33Z

I think confused blessed genocide is fine. Can you check again?

Netzhack: /* Gifted */

2019-08-30T00:16:25Z

‎Gifted

Netzhack at 23:44, 29 August 2019

2019-08-29T23:44:28Z

Ais523: /* Gifted */ English is weird sometimes

2019-08-29T23:13:28Z

‎Gifted: English is weird sometimes

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	--[[User:Choedev\|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev\|talk]]) 10:03, 5 May 2026 (UTC)choedev		--[[User:Choedev\|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev\|talk]]) 10:03, 5 May 2026 (UTC)choedev
	:I think you misread the code (and have given advice based on your reading of the code, but because your reading of the code is wrong, the advice is also wrong). I don't want to give too much explanation because figuring out the mechanics as a community is part of the fun of a new release, and if the DevTeam just explains them, that takes the fun away from the community – instead of the DevTeam spoiling it, it works much better if someone else figures it out via experimentation or source-reading. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 10:12, 5 May 2026 (UTC)		:I think you misread the code (and have given advice based on your reading of the code, but because your reading of the code is wrong, the advice is also wrong). I don't want to give too much explanation because figuring out the mechanics as a community is part of the fun of a new release, and if the DevTeam just explains them, that takes the fun away from the community – instead of the DevTeam spoiling it, it works much better if someone else figures it out via experimentation or source-reading. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 10:12, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
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		+	Got it! Thanks for the clarification! --[[User:Choedev\|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev\|talk]]) 12:59, 5 May 2026 (UTC)choedev

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	--[[User:Choedev\|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev\|talk]]) 10:03, 5 May 2026 (UTC)choedev		--[[User:Choedev\|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev\|talk]]) 10:03, 5 May 2026 (UTC)choedev
		+	:I think you misread the code (and have given advice based on your reading of the code, but because your reading of the code is wrong, the advice is also wrong). I don't want to give too much explanation because figuring out the mechanics as a community is part of the fun of a new release, and if the DevTeam just explains them, that takes the fun away from the community – instead of the DevTeam spoiling it, it works much better if someone else figures it out via experimentation or source-reading. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 10:12, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

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	[[Template talk:Refsrc#Citing variants\|Tapping you about this]] since I do wanna try to update UnNetHack and add variants besides SporkHack, ideally ones where we don't have to worry about previous versions '''''yet''''': I do wanna tackle those eventually and I'm going through people who've substantially worked on the template and are still active, and I'm also thinking about variants where we can "get away" with just using the latest stable/playable version on github or what have you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 21:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)		[[Template talk:Refsrc#Citing variants\|Tapping you about this]] since I do wanna try to update UnNetHack and add variants besides SporkHack, ideally ones where we don't have to worry about previous versions '''''yet''''': I do wanna tackle those eventually and I'm going through people who've substantially worked on the template and are still active, and I'm also thinking about variants where we can "get away" with just using the latest stable/playable version on github or what have you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 21:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	== About the "aligned cleric" article ==
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		+	Hello! I updated the "Donations" section for the [[aligned cleric]] article yesterday to align with 5.0.0 mechanics, and I noticed you left a message saying that some of my work is wrong. I based my updates on the Nethack 5.0.0 source code along with some in-game testing, so I'm not sure what exactly you were referring to. Do you have some specific examples where what I wrote is incorrect?
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		+	--[[User:Choedev\|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev\|talk]]) 10:03, 5 May 2026 (UTC)choedev

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	:You're right, according to a source dive. This is possibly a bug. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)		:You're right, according to a source dive. This is possibly a bug. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	== Refsrc template ==
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		+	[[Template talk:Refsrc#Citing variants\|Tapping you about this]] since I do wanna try to update UnNetHack and add variants besides SporkHack, ideally ones where we don't have to worry about previous versions '''''yet''''': I do wanna tackle those eventually and I'm going through people who've substantially worked on the template and are still active, and I'm also thinking about variants where we can "get away" with just using the latest stable/playable version on github or what have you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 21:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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−	:You're right, according to a source dive. This is possibly a bug. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]])	+	:You're right, according to a source dive. This is possibly a bug. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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		+	:You're right, according to a source dive. This is possibly a bug. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]])

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	::The other usage really didn't exist in my day. I'm 59. We said "give" or "give a gift" or "make a present of". English is getting weirder all the time, is my perspective. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)		::The other usage really didn't exist in my day. I'm 59. We said "give" or "give a gift" or "make a present of". English is getting weirder all the time, is my perspective. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
	::[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gifting&year_start=1860&year_end=2008&corpus=5&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cgifting%3B%2Cc0 Ngrams] confirms it. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 00:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)		::[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gifting&year_start=1860&year_end=2008&corpus=5&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cgifting%3B%2Cc0 Ngrams] confirms it. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 00:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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		+	== Escape item: confused blessed genocide ==
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		+	I think this commit is wrong: https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Escape_item&diff=prev&oldid=170778
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		+	https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/read.c#L1445 , case SCR_GENOCIDE calls do_class_genocide without checking confusion, and do_class_genocide has no confusion checks either.
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		+	Similar code in https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.4.3/src/read.c , there's no confusion checks on the blessed path with do_class_genocide.
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		+	I source-dived this and also explore-mode-tested it (on 3.7) recently when I was writing [[Confusion#Confused_scroll_effects]]. And I just explore-mode-tested-it again and my poor kitten got wiped and my hero did not.
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		+	Can you check again?
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		+	[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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	:As an adjective (rather than a verb), the word has two different meanings. English is weird sometimes. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)		:As an adjective (rather than a verb), the word has two different meanings. English is weird sometimes. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
	::The other usage really didn't exist in my day. I'm 59. We said "give" or "give a gift" or "make a present of". English is getting weirder all the time, is my perspective. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)		::The other usage really didn't exist in my day. I'm 59. We said "give" or "give a gift" or "make a present of". English is getting weirder all the time, is my perspective. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
		+	::[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gifting&year_start=1860&year_end=2008&corpus=5&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cgifting%3B%2Cc0 Ngrams] confirms it. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 00:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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	Funny, when I was in school, they put me in a program for gifted children, but I hadn't been given to anyone, as a gift or otherwise. But that was in another country, and the language has moved on since then. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:12, 29 August 2019 (UTC)		Funny, when I was in school, they put me in a program for gifted children, but I hadn't been given to anyone, as a gift or otherwise. But that was in another country, and the language has moved on since then. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:12, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
	:As an adjective (rather than a verb), the word has two different meanings. English is weird sometimes. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)		:As an adjective (rather than a verb), the word has two different meanings. English is weird sometimes. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
		+	::The other usage really didn't exist in my day. I'm 59. We said "give" or "give a gift" or "make a present of". English is getting weirder all the time, is my perspective. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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	Funny, when I was in school, they put me in a program for gifted children, but I hadn't been given to anyone, as a gift or otherwise. But that was in another country, and the language has moved on since then. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:12, 29 August 2019 (UTC)		Funny, when I was in school, they put me in a program for gifted children, but I hadn't been given to anyone, as a gift or otherwise. But that was in another country, and the language has moved on since then. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:12, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
		+	:As an adjective (rather than a verb), the word has two different meanings. English is weird sometimes. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 23:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)