User talk:Ion frigate - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* Grenades */ new section

2025-09-29T01:42:36Z

‎Grenades: new section

Umbire the Phantom: /* Vampires */

2025-08-19T03:05:38Z

‎Vampires

Umbire the Phantom: vamps

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vamps

Umbire the Phantom: /* Refsrc template */ forgor

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‎Refsrc template: forgor

Umbire the Phantom: re: refsrc

2025-07-26T20:59:10Z

re: refsrc

Umbire the Phantom: /* Potion of restore ability */ update

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‎Potion of restore ability: update

Umbire the Phantom: /* Potion of restore ability */ new section

2025-06-25T01:14:47Z

‎Potion of restore ability: new section

Umbire the Phantom: /* Guards */ reply

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‎Guards: reply

Ion frigate: /* Guards */ - reply

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‎Guards: - reply

Umbire the Phantom: /* Guards */ new section

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‎Guards: new section

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	:Ditto [[Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM)\|the starting race article]]. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:05, 19 August 2025 (UTC)		:Ditto [[Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM)\|the starting race article]]. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:05, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
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		+	== Grenades ==
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		+	Wondering about [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/makemon.c#line257\|this line in makemon.c]]: does it mean the soldier only gets a single frag grenade, or do they get a stack of them as normal? Also hope you're well, haven't seen you in a few months. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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	==Vampires==		==Vampires==
	[[Vampire (SLASH'EM)\|Split the vampire off into its own article]]: still debating about doing the same for the monster class and/or the vanilla monsters in it, since there's major changes due to the playable race being a thing. Linked the article here for you to browse/expand/etc. at your leisure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 21:57, 16 August 2025 (UTC)		[[Vampire (SLASH'EM)\|Split the vampire off into its own article]]: still debating about doing the same for the monster class and/or the vanilla monsters in it, since there's major changes due to the playable race being a thing. Linked the article here for you to browse/expand/etc. at your leisure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 21:57, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:Ditto [[Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM)\|the starting race article]]. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:05, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

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	==Refsrc template==		==Refsrc template==
	[[Template talk:Refsrc#Citing variants\|Tapping you about this]] since I do wanna try to update UnNetHack and add variants besides SporkHack, ideally ones where we don't have to worry about previous versions '''''yet''''': I do wanna tackle those eventually, hence the talk page message in the first place, but I'm also thinking about variants where we can "get away" with just using the latest stable/playable version on github or what have you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)		[[Template talk:Refsrc#Citing variants\|Tapping you about this]] since I do wanna try to update UnNetHack and add variants besides SporkHack, ideally ones where we don't have to worry about previous versions '''''yet''''': I do wanna tackle those eventually, hence the talk page message in the first place, but I'm also thinking about variants where we can "get away" with just using the latest stable/playable version on github or what have you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
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		+	==Vampires==
		+	[[Vampire (SLASH'EM)\|Split the vampire off into its own article]]: still debating about doing the same for the monster class and/or the vanilla monsters in it, since there's major changes due to the playable race being a thing. Linked the article here for you to browse/expand/etc. at your leisure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 21:57, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

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	==Refsrc template==		==Refsrc template==
−	[[Template talk:Refsrc#Citing variants\|Tapping you about this]] since I do wanna try to add variants besides SporkHack, ideally ones where we don't have to worry about previous versions '''''yet''''': I do wanna tackle those eventually, hence the talk page message in the first place, but I'm also thinking about variants where we can "get away" with just using the latest stable/playable version on github or what have you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)	+	[[Template talk:Refsrc#Citing variants\|Tapping you about this]] since I do wanna try to update UnNetHack and add variants besides SporkHack, ideally ones where we don't have to worry about previous versions '''''yet''''': I do wanna tackle those eventually, hence the talk page message in the first place, but I'm also thinking about variants where we can "get away" with just using the latest stable/playable version on github or what have you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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 == Potion of restore ability ==
-Just did up the article to bring it in line with the others, and I have a question: can you decipher [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/potion.c#line1256|this line]] for me? At a glance it looks like it restores up to 400 HP and increases max HP in the style of full healing, cures sickness if blessed and cures blindness if not-cursed (thankfully <tt>healup_mon</tt> is in the same file), but I'm not sure on the precision of that. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 01:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
+Just did up the article to bring it in line with the others, and I have a question: can you decipher [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/potion.c#line1256|this line]] for me? At a glance, when thrown it looks like it restores up to 400 HP and increases max HP in the style of full healing, cures sickness if blessed and cures blindness if not-cursed (thankfully <tt>healup_mon</tt> is in the same file), but I'm not sure on the precision of that. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 01:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
 :UPDATE: [[Special:Diff/190099|Got an answer from antigulp]], but would still like confirmation from you as well! --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 03:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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	Just did up the article to bring it in line with the others, and I have a question: can you decipher [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/potion.c#line1256\|this line]] for me? At a glance it looks like it restores up to 400 HP and increases max HP in the style of full healing, cures sickness if blessed and cures blindness if not-cursed (thankfully <tt>healup_mon</tt> is in the same file), but I'm not sure on the precision of that. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)		Just did up the article to bring it in line with the others, and I have a question: can you decipher [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/potion.c#line1256\|this line]] for me? At a glance it looks like it restores up to 400 HP and increases max HP in the style of full healing, cures sickness if blessed and cures blindness if not-cursed (thankfully <tt>healup_mon</tt> is in the same file), but I'm not sure on the precision of that. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
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		+	:UPDATE: [[Special:Diff/190099\|Got an answer from antigulp]], but would still like confirmation from you as well! --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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	::Needed a while to sit and read this, but honestly yeah I'm on board for that! Shouldn't hurt in the slightest, though we already have a separate article for stealing from shopkeepers—it's big enough that it probably wouldn't be worth a merge, but could be used for really getting into the nit and grit of it while giving a general/broader intro on the shopkeeper article itself, maybe. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 17:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)		::Needed a while to sit and read this, but honestly yeah I'm on board for that! Shouldn't hurt in the slightest, though we already have a separate article for stealing from shopkeepers—it's big enough that it probably wouldn't be worth a merge, but could be used for really getting into the nit and grit of it while giving a general/broader intro on the shopkeeper article itself, maybe. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 17:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
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		+	== Potion of restore ability ==
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		+	Just did up the article to bring it in line with the others, and I have a question: can you decipher [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/potion.c#line1256\|this line]] for me? At a glance it looks like it restores up to 400 HP and increases max HP in the style of full healing, cures sickness if blessed and cures blindness if not-cursed (thankfully <tt>healup_mon</tt> is in the same file), but I'm not sure on the precision of that. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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	:I should download and compile 3.6 at some point, yeah, but realistically it may take me a bit so you may want to go ahead and test. I will eventually, though, because of my ambition to make a much more complete version of the [[shopkeeper]] article, where I'm realizing that vanilla NetHack has diverged enough from 3.4.3/SLASH'EM that I can't keep making do with "test in SLASH'EM, check vanilla source to make sure it works the same way".		:I should download and compile 3.6 at some point, yeah, but realistically it may take me a bit so you may want to go ahead and test. I will eventually, though, because of my ambition to make a much more complete version of the [[shopkeeper]] article, where I'm realizing that vanilla NetHack has diverged enough from 3.4.3/SLASH'EM that I can't keep making do with "test in SLASH'EM, check vanilla source to make sure it works the same way".
	:On the topic of articles about monsters with complex behavior (shopkeepers, guards, priests, probably a couple others), I wanted to ask your opinion on reorganizing them. Basically, I feel like we should perhaps sectionalize by types of behavior: like in [[guard]], something like Initial Contact, Asking Your Name, Dropping Your Gold, Escorting You Out, Angering Guards. In particular, I was thinking we could move the messages to their related sections, so we don't end up with one long block of them at the end of the article. And in the case of shopkeepers, I was actually thinking of breaking at least some of the behaviors off into sub-articles. Like, the main article should provide a good overview of how one ''normally'' interacts with shopkeepers (including covering strategies such as credit cloning and pet theft), and subarticles could really get into the weeds of things like hot pursuit, the exact verb used when destroying a shopkeeper's door, how shopkeepers react to player umber hulks chewing their way in, etc. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 20:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)		:On the topic of articles about monsters with complex behavior (shopkeepers, guards, priests, probably a couple others), I wanted to ask your opinion on reorganizing them. Basically, I feel like we should perhaps sectionalize by types of behavior: like in [[guard]], something like Initial Contact, Asking Your Name, Dropping Your Gold, Escorting You Out, Angering Guards. In particular, I was thinking we could move the messages to their related sections, so we don't end up with one long block of them at the end of the article. And in the case of shopkeepers, I was actually thinking of breaking at least some of the behaviors off into sub-articles. Like, the main article should provide a good overview of how one ''normally'' interacts with shopkeepers (including covering strategies such as credit cloning and pet theft), and subarticles could really get into the weeds of things like hot pursuit, the exact verb used when destroying a shopkeeper's door, how shopkeepers react to player umber hulks chewing their way in, etc. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 20:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
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		+	::Needed a while to sit and read this, but honestly yeah I'm on board for that! Shouldn't hurt in the slightest, though we already have a separate article for stealing from shopkeepers—it's big enough that it probably wouldn't be worth a merge, but could be used for really getting into the nit and grit of it while giving a general/broader intro on the shopkeeper article itself, maybe. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 17:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

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	Since your initial addition of the SLASH'EM section, I've added/moved a bulk of the explanation to the guard behavior section for it to springboard off - do you think you could test for this in 3.6.6 as well? Or I can do so in your stead and share my findings. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)		Since your initial addition of the SLASH'EM section, I've added/moved a bulk of the explanation to the guard behavior section for it to springboard off - do you think you could test for this in 3.6.6 as well? Or I can do so in your stead and share my findings. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
		+	:I should download and compile 3.6 at some point, yeah, but realistically it may take me a bit so you may want to go ahead and test. I will eventually, though, because of my ambition to make a much more complete version of the [[shopkeeper]] article, where I'm realizing that vanilla NetHack has diverged enough from 3.4.3/SLASH'EM that I can't keep making do with "test in SLASH'EM, check vanilla source to make sure it works the same way".
		+	:On the topic of articles about monsters with complex behavior (shopkeepers, guards, priests, probably a couple others), I wanted to ask your opinion on reorganizing them. Basically, I feel like we should perhaps sectionalize by types of behavior: like in [[guard]], something like Initial Contact, Asking Your Name, Dropping Your Gold, Escorting You Out, Angering Guards. In particular, I was thinking we could move the messages to their related sections, so we don't end up with one long block of them at the end of the article. And in the case of shopkeepers, I was actually thinking of breaking at least some of the behaviors off into sub-articles. Like, the main article should provide a good overview of how one ''normally'' interacts with shopkeepers (including covering strategies such as credit cloning and pet theft), and subarticles could really get into the weeds of things like hot pursuit, the exact verb used when destroying a shopkeeper's door, how shopkeepers react to player umber hulks chewing their way in, etc. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 20:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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	:Righteous - was able to get a DL of [https://web.archive.org/web/19970525160617/http://reality.sgi.com/david_neu/slash5.zip SLASH 5] this way, though it seems to consist mostly of the executable and the level files. I'm trying to get source codes for 5 and earlier as well, but this is at least one step closer! --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:42, 31 May 2025 (UTC)		:Righteous - was able to get a DL of [https://web.archive.org/web/19970525160617/http://reality.sgi.com/david_neu/slash5.zip SLASH 5] this way, though it seems to consist mostly of the executable and the level files. I'm trying to get source codes for 5 and earlier as well, but this is at least one step closer! --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:42, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
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		+	== Guards ==
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		+	Since your initial addition of the SLASH'EM section, I've added/moved a bulk of the explanation to the guard behavior section for it to springboard off - do you think you could test for this in 3.6.6 as well? Or I can do so in your stead and share my findings. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)