User talk:Netzhack - Revision history

Netzhack: /* Respectively */ to/too

2024-08-28T12:01:45Z

‎Respectively: to/too

Netzhack: /* Respectively */ too

2024-08-28T12:01:21Z

‎Respectively: too

Netzhack: /* Just dropping by */

2024-08-28T11:58:54Z

‎Just dropping by

Umbire the Phantom: /* Just dropping by */ new section

2024-08-28T10:23:47Z

‎Just dropping by: new section

Netzhack: /* Respectively */

2023-02-13T22:01:13Z

‎Respectively

Netzhack: Added

2023-02-13T21:54:27Z

Added

Netzhack: /* "Despite this, ..." */

2022-06-29T10:11:20Z

‎"Despite this, ..."

Umbire the Phantom: /* "Despite this, ..." */

2022-06-29T09:59:20Z

‎"Despite this, ..."

Netzhack: /* "Despite this, ..." */

2022-06-29T09:45:32Z

‎"Despite this, ..."

Umbire the Phantom: /* "Despite this, ..." */

2022-06-29T00:02:33Z

‎"Despite this, ..."

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 == Respectively ==
-You're here because you've noticed I'm editing out many (not all) instances of the word "respectively" in this wiki. Here's why: The word "respectively" asks the reader to do the writer's work, mentally forming one-to-one relations between the elements of one set and those of another, where the writer has been to lazy too do so by means of normal sentence syntax. Sometimes the job is easy enough; sometimes it is a difficult mental task; sometimes it has already been done by semantics or other means. Examples:
+You're here because you've noticed I'm editing out many (not all) instances of the word "respectively" in this wiki. Here's why: The word "respectively" asks the reader to do the writer's work, mentally forming one-to-one relations between the elements of one set and those of another, where the writer has been too lazy to do so by means of normal sentence syntax. Sometimes the job is easy enough; sometimes it is a difficult mental task; sometimes it has already been done by semantics or other means. Examples:
 Easy:

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 == Respectively ==
-You're here because you've noticed I'm editing out many (not all) instances of the word "respectively" in this wiki. Here's why: The word "respectively" asks the reader to do the writer's work, mentally forming one-to-one relations between the elements of one set and those of another, where the writer has been to lazy to do so by means of normal sentence syntax. Sometimes the job is easy enough; sometimes it is a difficult mental task; sometimes it has already been done by semantics or other means. Examples:
+You're here because you've noticed I'm editing out many (not all) instances of the word "respectively" in this wiki. Here's why: The word "respectively" asks the reader to do the writer's work, mentally forming one-to-one relations between the elements of one set and those of another, where the writer has been to lazy too do so by means of normal sentence syntax. Sometimes the job is easy enough; sometimes it is a difficult mental task; sometimes it has already been done by semantics or other means. Examples:
 Easy:

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	...to say thanks again for all the copyedit and improvements you've provided to this point. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)		...to say thanks again for all the copyedit and improvements you've provided to this point. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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		+	: Thank you! :-D [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 11:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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	::Are you a neurologist, or are you just trying to sound like a jerk? I wouldn't normally bother anyone who misuses "as such"; my interest here is only in raising the standards and the prestige of Nethackwiki. You're welcome to google something like {English grammar "as such"} and read the results for yourself. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 12:42, 12 May 2019 (UTC)		::Are you a neurologist, or are you just trying to sound like a jerk? I wouldn't normally bother anyone who misuses "as such"; my interest here is only in raising the standards and the prestige of Nethackwiki. You're welcome to google something like {English grammar "as such"} and read the results for yourself. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 12:42, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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		+	== Just dropping by ==
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		+	...to say thanks again for all the copyedit and improvements you've provided to this point. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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 You're here because you've noticed I'm editing out many (not all) instances of the word "respectively" in this wiki. Here's why: The word "respectively" asks the reader to do the writer's work, mentally forming one-to-one relations between the elements of one set and those of another, where the writer has been to lazy to do so by means of normal sentence syntax. Sometimes the job is easy enough; sometimes it is a difficult mental task; sometimes it has already been done by semantics or other means. Examples:
- Easy: "Food A is lighter than B or C, which weigh 200 and 300 respectively."
+Easy:
 Here, "respectively" saves us writing a new clause containing repetitions of "B" and "C".
- Lazy: "Garnets and rubies are deep red and ruby, respectively."
+Lazy:
 What excuse is there for not writing "Garnets are deep red and rubies are ruby-colored"?
- Too hard: "The Magic Mirror of Merlin and The Master Key of Thievery, the knight and rogue quest artifacts respectively, give you a rumor when applied or wielded."
+Too hard:
 The reader has to parse a sequence of many nouns and figure out where the double-apposition started and ended. Easier to read: "The quest artifacts for the knight and rogue roles, the Magic Mirror of Merlin and the Master Key of Thievery, both give a rumor when applied or wielded." Without the "respectively", we don't tell the reader to mentally form a one-to-one relation, because it's irrelevant here.
- Silly: "The plasteel helmet, boots, and gloves might be useful to Jedi as an upgrade on a dwarvish iron helm, iron shoes or high boots, and leather gloves, respectively."
+Silly:
 This "respectively" is for readers with no semantic understanding of what they're reading. The nouns themselves create a one-to-one relation between the elements in the lists; there is zero danger of a reader misassociating them.

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	Every once in a while I get into a peeve about some piece of English syntax and go on an editing campaign. Here are some rationales. (You can still use my talk page for other stuff; feel free to add a section.)		Every once in a while I get into a peeve about some piece of English syntax and go on an editing campaign. Here are some rationales. (You can still use my talk page for other stuff; feel free to add a section.)
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		+	Oh – also I'm one of the developers of [http://www.netzhack.de/ NetzHack] (note the 'z'), the [[NetHack_in_other_languages#German\|German localized version]] of NetHack. You can talk to me about that too.

	== "chance to" = opportunity; "chance of" = probability ==		== "chance to" = opportunity; "chance of" = probability ==

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	:::Again, well and fine, but try not to make A Thing out of it if you can. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)		:::Again, well and fine, but try not to make A Thing out of it if you can. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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		+	::::Thanks for your tolerance and advice. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 10:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

	== "just like" -> "just as" ==		== "just like" -> "just as" ==

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	::"Because no one else cares" is why I'm the one doing it, I guess. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 09:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)		::"Because no one else cares" is why I'm the one doing it, I guess. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 09:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:::Again, well and fine, but try not to make A Thing out of it if you can. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

	== "just like" -> "just as" ==		== "just like" -> "just as" ==

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	:Because literally no one else cares, let alone enough to extensively document this kind of thing, when most people are prioritizing a lack of basic info elsewhere. Improve the structure of the info itself, that's all well and fine - but this feels a bit much. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)		:Because literally no one else cares, let alone enough to extensively document this kind of thing, when most people are prioritizing a lack of basic info elsewhere. Improve the structure of the info itself, that's all well and fine - but this feels a bit much. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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		+	::"Because no one else cares" is why I'm the one doing it, I guess. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 09:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

	== "just like" -> "just as" ==		== "just like" -> "just as" ==

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	I've just gone through and eliminated all nine occurrences of "despite this" in the wiki. Some were replaceable by the alternatives indicated; others needed no replacement: they were already redundant alongside "still", or simply stuck in randomly as splices where none was needed. Again, I bet nobody notices. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)		I've just gone through and eliminated all nine occurrences of "despite this" in the wiki. Some were replaceable by the alternatives indicated; others needed no replacement: they were already redundant alongside "still", or simply stuck in randomly as splices where none was needed. Again, I bet nobody notices. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 23:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:Because literally no one else cares, let alone enough to extensively document this kind of thing, when most people are prioritizing a lack of basic info elsewhere. Improve the structure of the info itself, that's all well and fine - but this feels a bit much. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

	== "just like" -> "just as" ==		== "just like" -> "just as" ==