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 ==Message==
 {{message|Writing a poison pen letter?|You attempted to engrave with a venom object.}}
 ==References==

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 ==Generation==
-Neither type of venom is randomly generated. Venom spit by monsters, including a [[hero]] in the form of an appropriate monster, will disappear upon reaching its target square, unless they land in a [[moat]] or pool. Venom can also be created by a [[wizard mode]] [[wish]].
+Neither type of venom is randomly generated. Venom is only generated when spit by monsters, including a [[hero]] in the form of an appropriate monster. Venom can also be created by a [[wizard mode]] [[wish]].
 ==Description==
-Blinding venom and acid venom objects are intrinsically waterproof, and venom objects that are in water can be retrieved by diving in to pick them up, or by [[levitating]] and [[applying]] a [[bullwhip]]. [[Thrown]] venom objects will have the appropriate effects for its type, using up the item as if it were spit by a monster. Attempting to [[engrave]] with a venom object prints a [[YAFM]] and allows the hero to write in the dust as normal.
+As an object, venom is considered [[fragile]] and will disappear upon reaching its target square, unless it lands in a [[moat]] or pool: both blinding venom and acid venom objects are intrinsically waterproof, and venom objects that are in water can be retrieved by diving in to pick them up, or by [[levitating]] and [[applying]] a [[bullwhip]]. [[Thrown]] venom objects will have the appropriate effects for its type, using up the item as if it were spit by a monster.
 Venom has strange interactions with [[container]]s: the code for [[looting]] or [[applying]] containers does not expect venom objects to exist, so they will not show up when entering a menu that lists items to place into a container or remove from a container, unless the <tt>menustyle</tt> option is set to "traditional". [[Tipping]] a container with venom objects will place them on the ground as normal.
 ==Strategy==
-Venom objects in a hero's inventory are usually the result of a player seeking novelty or bragging rights, though they can still be used to blind monsters or inflict acidic damage.
+Venom objects in a hero's inventory are usually the result of a player seeking novelty or bragging rights, though they can be used to blind monsters or inflict acidic damage.
 ==History==

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 {{for|the damage type represented by "venom" in some [[object property]] systems|poison}}
 '''Venom''' is a type of object that appears in ''[[NetHack]]'' and occupies the "venoms" inventory grouping. There are two forms of venom, both of which are [[stackable]] and made of [[liquid]], and they each appear as a '''splash of venom''' when [[Identification|unidentified]].
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 ==Description==
-Blinding venom and acid venom objects are intrinsically waterproof, and venom objects that are in water can be retrieved by diving in to pick them up, or by [[levitating]] and [[applying]] a [[bullwhip]]. [[Thrown]] venom objects will have the appropriate effects for its type, using up the item as if it were spit by a monster. Attempting to [[engrave]] with a venom object prints a [[YAFM]] before allowing the hero to write in the dust as normal.
+Blinding venom and acid venom objects are intrinsically waterproof, and venom objects that are in water can be retrieved by diving in to pick them up, or by [[levitating]] and [[applying]] a [[bullwhip]]. [[Thrown]] venom objects will have the appropriate effects for its type, using up the item as if it were spit by a monster. Attempting to [[engrave]] with a venom object prints a [[YAFM]] and allows the hero to write in the dust as normal.
 Venom has strange interactions with [[container]]s: the code for [[looting]] or [[applying]] containers does not expect venom objects to exist, so they will not show up when entering a menu that lists items to place into a container or remove from a container, unless the <tt>menustyle</tt> option is set to "traditional". [[Tipping]] a container with venom objects will place them on the ground as normal.

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-{{for|the damage type represented by venom in some [[object property]] systems|poison}}
+{{for|the damage type represented by "venom" in some [[object property]] systems|poison}}
 '''Venom''' is a type of object that appears in ''[[NetHack]]'' and occupies the "venoms" inventory grouping. There are two forms of venom, both of which are [[stackable]] and made of [[liquid]], and they each appear as a '''splash of venom''' when [[Identification|unidentified]].

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 ==History==
-Both types of venom firs appear in [[NetHack 3.0.0]]. From this version to [[NetHack 3.4.3]], including some variants based on these versions, a container that has venom objects inside it will cause the game to experience a segmentation fault and crash when it has its contents listed while generating the [[dumplog]] at the end of a game&mdash;a player ascending with venom objects in their bags would have to move them out to their main inventory before they [[ascended]], since the crash would occur immediately before the ascension is counted as complete in the server stats.<ref>[https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Luna1/1395185008.nh343.txt incomplete dumplog] due to NAO server segfaulting</ref> This bug is fixed in [[NetHack 3.6.0]].
+Both types of venom first appear in [[NetHack 3.0.0]]. From this version to [[NetHack 3.4.3]], including some variants based on these versions, a container that has venom objects inside it will cause the game to experience a segmentation fault and crash when it has its contents listed while generating the [[dumplog]] at the end of a game&mdash;a player ascending with venom objects in their bags would have to move them out to their main inventory before they [[ascended]], since the crash would occur immediately before the ascension is counted as complete in the server stats.<ref>[https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Luna1/1395185008.nh343.txt incomplete dumplog] due to NAO server segfaulting</ref> This bug is fixed in [[NetHack 3.6.0]].
 ==Message==

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-Some monsters spit '''venom''' at you, which acts as a projectile attack. This takes the form of either:
+'''Venom''' is a type of object that appears in ''[[NetHack]]'' and occupies the "venoms" inventory grouping. There are two forms of venom, both of which are [[stackable]] and made of [[liquid]], and they each appear as a '''splash of venom''' when [[Identification|unidentified]].
-* '''blinding venom''', which [[blind]]s you as a [[cream pie]] when you are hit by it, or
-* '''acid venom''', which deals 2d6 [[acid]] damage.
+Each venom object acts as a transient object for the corresponding projectile attacks of certain [[monster]]s:
-[[Juiblex]] and [[black naga]]s spit acid venom; [[guardian naga]]s and [[cobra]]s spit blinding venom.
+==Generation==
-== Generation ==
+==Description==
-Internally, objects for venom exist (to act as the projectiles), but they almost always disappear upon hitting anything. However, you can create them by [[polymorphing]] into the respective mosters and spitting venom into [[moat|water]] with the [[Monster (command)|#monster]] command, e.g., on [[Medusa's Island]] or any pool if you manage to hit it exactly. The permanent venom objects can then be picked up the usual way by diving or by [[levitating]] with a [[bullwhip]]. And of course, a [[wizard mode]] wish can create them.
+Blinding venom and acid venom objects are intrinsically waterproof, and venom objects that are in water can be retrieved by diving in to pick them up, or by [[levitating]] and [[applying]] a [[bullwhip]]. [[Thrown]] venom objects will have the appropriate effects for its type, using up the item as if it were spit by a monster. Attempting to [[engrave]] with a venom object prints a [[YAFM]] before allowing the hero to write in the dust as normal.
-== Effects ==
+Venom has strange interactions with [[container]]s: the code for [[looting]] or [[applying]] containers does not expect venom objects to exist, so they will not show up when entering a menu that lists items to place into a container or remove from a container, unless the <tt>menustyle</tt> option is set to "traditional". [[Tipping]] a container with venom objects will place them on the ground as normal.
-They can be [[greased]] (even though science is unsure how that works), but that is not necessary as they are surprisingly robust and waterproof. Getting venom objects out of a [[container]] is tricky, because the menu code doesn't expect them to exist. You must either switch the ''menustyle'' [[option]] to ''traditional'' or use the #[[tip]] command.
+==Strategy==
-== Strategy ==
+==History==
-A fun use is to blind the [[Riders]] with them: it's easier than polymorphing into a guardian naga on the [[Astral Plane]], and they weigh less than a stack of cream pies.
+Both types of venom firs appear in [[NetHack 3.0.0]]. From this version to [[NetHack 3.4.3]], including some variants based on these versions, a container that has venom objects inside it will cause the game to experience a segmentation fault and crash when it has its contents listed while generating the [[dumplog]] at the end of a game&mdash;a player ascending with venom objects in their bags would have to move them out to their main inventory before [[ascending]], since the crash would occur immediately before the ascension is counted as complete in the server stats.<ref>[https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Luna1/1395185008.nh343.txt incomplete dumplog] due to NAO server segfaulting</ref> This bug is fixed in [[NetHack 3.6.0]].
-== History ==
+==Message==
-[[NetHack 3.4.3]] would crash when listing the contents of a container with venom objects in it while generating the [[dumplog]] at the end of a game. In particular this meant you had to take all venom out of your [[bag of holding]] into your main inventory before [[ascend]]ing; otherwise, NetHack would segfault immediately before the ascension was counted as complete in the server stats.<ref>[https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Luna1/1395185008.nh343.txt incomplete dumplog] due to NAO server segfaulting</ref> This bug has been fixed since 3.6.0.
+{{message|Writing a poison pen letter?|You attempted to engrave with a venom object.}}
 ==References==
 <references/>
+{{nethack-367}}
 [[Category:Monster attacks]]