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Cathartes: revive instead of turn undead

2022-02-13T23:26:53Z

revive instead of turn undead

Actual-nh: /* Magic resistance */ Grammar/style

2021-03-08T02:07:58Z

‎Magic resistance: Grammar/style

Actual-nh: /* Magic resistance */ Grammar/style

2021-03-08T02:02:59Z

‎Magic resistance: Grammar/style

ChasonBot at 07:42, 22 December 2015

2015-12-22T07:42:48Z

Ion frigate: if you have ?geno, you should just revgeno up some SDSM, so this is only worth it for throne genos

2013-05-27T01:45:37Z

if you have ?geno, you should just revgeno up some SDSM, so this is only worth it for throne genos

Bcode: Use Template:Refsrc

2012-09-21T17:56:40Z

Use Template:Refsrc

Monomachos: /* Accidental loss of conduct */ Wishing for nothing, nil, or none has the same effect.

2012-09-21T15:56:06Z

‎Accidental loss of conduct: Wishing for nothing, nil, or none has the same effect.

Graham87: /* Magic resistance */ rm "in order"

2011-10-29T14:44:06Z

‎Magic resistance: rm "in order"

Tjr: /* Playing wishless */ 11.5% and 72.5% of winning players manage it

2010-10-30T18:14:31Z

‎Playing wishless: 11.5% and 72.5% of winning players manage it

Tjr: /* Levitation */ 1 potion really is enough, given Vlad's boots

2010-07-08T16:50:05Z

‎Levitation: 1 potion really is enough, given Vlad's boots

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 ===Magic resistance===
-One of the most common targets for a wish is [[gray dragon scale mail]] or some other item granting magic resistance. With no wishes, magic resistance must be obtained some other way. One way of course is to kill a [[gray dragon]] and hope that it leaves behind [[gray dragon scales]]. A character can increase their chances of success by [[reverse genocide|reverse genociding]] gray dragons, or using a method of [[turn undead]] to revive and kill a gray dragon repeatedly until it leaves scales. Another good method to spawn dragons is confused [[throne]] looting.
+One of the most common targets for a wish is [[gray dragon scale mail]] or some other item granting magic resistance. With no wishes, magic resistance must be obtained some other way. One way of course is to kill a [[gray dragon]] and hope that it leaves behind [[gray dragon scales]]. A character can increase their chances of success by [[reverse genocide|reverse genociding]] gray dragons, or using a method of [[revive|revival]] to repeatedly kill a gray dragon until it leaves scales. Another good method to spawn dragons is confused [[throne]] looting.
 Another easy way to get magic resistance is to play a character that starts with magic resistance or whose [[quest artifact]] provides magic resistance. [[Wizard]]s start with a [[cloak of magic resistance]] and can easily get [[Magicbane]] from an altar. [[Archaeologist]]s, [[Caveman|Cavemen]], [[Knight]]s, [[Monk]]s, [[Tourist]]s, and
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 ===Reflection===
-An [[amulet of reflection]] is available half of the time in Sokoban. Alternatively, [[Perseus]]'s statue sometimes contains a [[shield of reflection]].  Other common sources of shields of reflection are [[Angel]]s and [[Aleax]]es.  [[Silver dragon scale mail]] is another possible option.  Like [[gray dragon scale mail]], it can be obtained by reverse genociding [[silver dragon]]s or using [[turn undead]] on a silver dragon.
+An [[amulet of reflection]] is available half of the time in Sokoban. Alternatively, [[Perseus]]'s statue sometimes contains a [[shield of reflection]].  Other common sources of shields of reflection are [[Angel]]s and [[Aleax]]es.  [[Silver dragon scale mail]] is another possible option.  Like [[gray dragon scale mail]], it can be obtained by reverse genociding [[silver dragon]]s or using [[revive|revival]] on a silver dragon corpse.
 A character without reflection faces three major hazards: disintegration blasts from [[black dragon]]s, [[wand of death]] zaps (if you also lack magic resistance) and [[lightning]] attacks which can explode wands and rings in the character's main [[inventory]]. If reflection cannot be obtained, it is recommended to minimize the number of wands and rings in your main inventory, and keep ample supplies of spare wands and rings available in your [[bag]].  Players getting a single genocide from a [[throne]] might consider genociding black dragons, but if you have a scroll, it is better used to reverse genocide silver dragons.

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 [[Wizard]]s have quest artifacts which provide magic resistance. In most cases, it is not recommended for characters to rely on their quest artifact as their sole source of magic resistance, because quest artifacts can be stolen by the [[Wizard of Yendor]]. However, wishless characters in general have fewer options than non-wishless characters, and oftentimes must resort to such suboptimal play.
-A [[cloak of magic resistance]] is arguably the most desirable source of magic resistance, but it is difficult to obtain for characters other than [[Wizard]]s, even with [[polypiling]], because it is the rarest of the randomly occurring cloaks. Aside from bones piles of Wizard characters, the best source of cloaks of magic resistance is from [[aligned priest]]s, which are guaranteed to be present in [[Minetown]] and the
+A [[cloak of magic resistance]] is arguably the most desirable source of magic resistance, but it is difficult to obtain for characters other than [[Wizard]]s, even with [[polypiling]], because it is the rarest of the randomly occurring cloaks. Aside from bones piles of Wizard characters, the best sources of cloaks of magic resistance are [[aligned priest]]s, who are guaranteed to be present in [[Minetown]] and the
 [[Valley of the Dead]]. You can use a [[wand of probing]] to detect whether or not a priest has a cloak of magic resistance; doing so will not anger the priest. Priests without a cloak of magic resistance will have some other good cloak instead, and may be worth killing anyway for their cloak.

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 [[Wizard]]s have quest artifacts which provide magic resistance. In most cases, it is not recommended for characters to rely on their quest artifact as their sole source of magic resistance, because quest artifacts can be stolen by the [[Wizard of Yendor]]. However, wishless characters in general have fewer options than non-wishless characters, and oftentimes must resort to such suboptimal play.
-A [[cloak of magic resistance]] is arguably the most desirable source of magic resistance, but it is difficult to obtain for characters other than [[Wizard]]s, even with [[polypiling]], because it is the rarest of the randomly occurring cloaks. Aside from bones piles of Wizard characters, the best source of cloaks of magic resistance is [[aligned priest]]s, which are guaranteed to be present in [[Minetown]] and the
+A [[cloak of magic resistance]] is arguably the most desirable source of magic resistance, but it is difficult to obtain for characters other than [[Wizard]]s, even with [[polypiling]], because it is the rarest of the randomly occurring cloaks. Aside from bones piles of Wizard characters, the best source of cloaks of magic resistance is from [[aligned priest]]s, which are guaranteed to be present in [[Minetown]] and the
 [[Valley of the Dead]]. You can use a [[wand of probing]] to detect whether or not a priest has a cloak of magic resistance; doing so will not anger the priest. Priests without a cloak of magic resistance will have some other good cloak instead, and may be worth killing anyway for their cloak.

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 An [[amulet of reflection]] is available half of the time in Sokoban. Alternatively, [[Perseus]]'s statue sometimes contains a [[shield of reflection]].  Other common sources of shields of reflection are [[Angel]]s and [[Aleax]]es.  [[Silver dragon scale mail]] is another possible option.  Like [[gray dragon scale mail]], it can be obtained by reverse genociding [[silver dragon]]s or using [[turn undead]] on a silver dragon.
-A character without reflection faces three major hazards: disintegration blasts from [[black dragon]]s, [[wand of death]] zaps (if you also lack magic resistance) and [[lightning]] attacks which can explode wands and rings in the character's main [[inventory]]. If reflection cannot be obtained, it is recommended to either [[genocide]] black dragons or eat one for disintegration resistance, minimize the number of wands and rings in your main inventory, and keep ample supplies of spare wands and rings available in your [[bag]].
+A character without reflection faces three major hazards: disintegration blasts from [[black dragon]]s, [[wand of death]] zaps (if you also lack magic resistance) and [[lightning]] attacks which can explode wands and rings in the character's main [[inventory]]. If reflection cannot be obtained, it is recommended to minimize the number of wands and rings in your main inventory, and keep ample supplies of spare wands and rings available in your [[bag]].  Players getting a single genocide from a [[throne]] might consider genociding black dragons, but if you have a scroll, it is better used to reverse genocide silver dragons.
 ===Levitation===

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 ==Accidental loss of conduct==
-It is nearly impossible to accidentally lose the wishless conduct in NetHack 3.4.3.  If the game bestows an unwanted wish (for example, from quaffing a [[smoky potion]]), you can answer ''nothing'', ''nil'', or ''none''<ref>{{sourcecode|objnam.c|1808}}</ref> in order to avoid using a wish.
+It is nearly impossible to accidentally lose the wishless conduct in NetHack 3.4.3.  If the game bestows an unwanted wish (for example, from quaffing a [[smoky potion]]), you can answer ''nothing'', ''nil'', or ''none''{{refsrc|objnam.c|1808}} in order to avoid using a wish.
 == References ==

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	In a typical game, a character will always have access to at least five wishes from the [[wand of wishing]] located in the [[castle]]. In a wishless game, the character voluntarily avoids using wishes and thus needs to obtain the corresponding items some other way. What follows is a description of some techniques that one can use in the absence of a wish. Note that it is rare for a wishless character to accomplish all of the goals outlined below. Part of the challenge of playing a wishless character is to ascend successfully despite missing one or two components that a typical, non-wishless character would possess.		In a typical game, a character will always have access to at least five wishes from the [[wand of wishing]] located in the [[castle]]. In a wishless game, the character voluntarily avoids using wishes and thus needs to obtain the corresponding items some other way. What follows is a description of some techniques that one can use in the absence of a wish. Note that it is rare for a wishless character to accomplish all of the goals outlined below. Part of the challenge of playing a wishless character is to ascend successfully despite missing one or two components that a typical, non-wishless character would possess.
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		+	11.5% of all winning players on [[NAO]] have a wishless ascension, and 72.5% artifact-wishless.

	===Polypiling===		===Polypiling===

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 Having some form of [[levitation]] is desirable in the [[End Game]]. [[Perseus]]'s statue sometimes contains levitation boots.  If no other means of levitation is available, a blessed [[potion of levitation]] lasts for at least 250 turns, and potions of levitation are common enough that one can usually assemble a large stack of them by the end of
-the game.
+the game. One blessed potion is more than enough to carry you through the [[Endgame]] if you don't procrastinate, and the [[water walking boots]] in [[Vlad's Tower]] take care of everything before that.
 ===How to kill the Wizard===