Wresting - Revision history

Scorchgeek: /* Strategy */ note danger of accidental wrests

2021-11-08T00:18:22Z

‎Strategy: note danger of accidental wrests

Infinigon: /* History */

2021-01-11T23:23:50Z

‎History

Infinigon at 23:23, 11 January 2021

2021-01-11T23:23:36Z

Infinigon: make a note about engrave wresting

2021-01-11T01:16:18Z

make a note about engrave wresting

TK: Bug update

2020-03-23T19:09:38Z

Bug update

Kufat: wording

2020-01-28T17:26:53Z

wording

ChasonBot at 09:43, 22 December 2015

2015-12-22T09:43:12Z

173.79.206.233 at 20:12, 26 July 2013

2013-07-26T20:12:56Z

Tjr: link to individual bug; fixed on NAO

2013-03-09T08:28:37Z

link to individual bug; fixed on NAO

Monomachos: refsrc for the "write in the dust with your dust" message

2012-10-04T13:59:57Z

refsrc for the "write in the dust with your dust" message

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	It's not possible to use the wrested charge from a [[wand of fire]], [[wand of lightning\|lightning]], or [[wand of digging\|digging]] to engrave with.		It's not possible to use the wrested charge from a [[wand of fire]], [[wand of lightning\|lightning]], or [[wand of digging\|digging]] to engrave with.
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		+	If you have the resources, it's a good idea to formally [[Identification\|identify]] extremely valuable wands that you plan to recharge (e.g., [[Wand of wishing\|wands of wishing]]) before zapping them enough times that they could potentially have reached 0 charges; while the 1/121 chance of discovering the wand is empty by accidentally wresting it is small, if you play enough games this ''will'' happen eventually!

	==History==		==History==

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 ==History==
-Prior to [[NetHack 3.6.0|3.6.0], a useful alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing was to engrave with them while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write did not consume a game turn, but did attempt to use the wand. This was [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, [[adjust]]ing the wand to {{kbd|E}} and holding down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt. This made exploiting the bug much faster with levitation.
+Prior to [[NetHack 3.6.0|3.6.0]], a useful alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing was to engrave with them while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write did not consume a game turn, but did attempt to use the wand. This was [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, [[adjust]]ing the wand to {{kbd|E}} and holding down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt. This made exploiting the bug much faster with levitation.
 ==References==

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 ==Strategy==
-The usual technique associated with wresting is to #[[adjust]] the wand to the [[z]] inventory slot and holding down the {{kbd|z}} key to zap the wand repeatedly, greatly reducing the amount of real time and effort needed to extract the wrested charge. Be sure to pay attention to what's going on around you while you hold down the key, or you may end up dead without knowing what killed you. Ideally you'd quickly tap the {{kbd|z}} key instead of holding it. Tapping {{kbd|ctrl|a}} (redo command) is an alternative to tapping {{kbd|z}}.
+The usual technique associated with wresting is to #[[adjust]] the wand to the [[z]] inventory slot and holding down the {{kbd|z}} key to zap the wand repeatedly, greatly reducing the amount of real time and effort needed to extract the wrested charge. Be sure to pay attention to what's going on around you while you hold down the key, or you may end up dead without knowing what killed you. Ideally you'd quickly tap the {{kbd|z}} key instead of holding it.
 It's not possible to use the wrested charge from a [[wand of fire]], [[wand of lightning|lightning]], or [[wand of digging|digging]] to engrave with.
-zaps are needed for a 50% chance of success.
+==History==
-Prior to 3.6.0, a useful alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing was to engrave with them while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write did not consume a game turn, but did attempt to use the wand. This was [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, if you [[adjust]] the wand to {{kbd|E}} and hold down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt. This made exploiting the bug much faster with levitation.
+Prior to [[NetHack 3.6.0|3.6.0], a useful alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing was to engrave with them while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write did not consume a game turn, but did attempt to use the wand. This was [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, [[adjust]]ing the wand to {{kbd|E}} and holding down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt. This made exploiting the bug much faster with levitation.
 ==References==

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-When zapping or engraving with a wand that has no charges remaining, there is a 1 in 121 chance that you will '''wrest''' another charge out of the wand, yielding the message "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." and providing you with one last bit of magic after which the wand crumbles to dust. It is most commonly cited in connection with [[wand of wishing|wands of wishing]], where one last [[wish]] can be immensely useful; it is nevertheless possible with any wand.
+When zapping or engraving with a wand that has no charges remaining, there is a 1 in 121 chance{{refsrc|src/zap.c|2137|version=NetHack 3.6.6}} that you will '''wrest''' another charge out of the wand, providing you with one last bit of magic after which the wand crumbles to dust. It is most commonly cited in connection with [[wand of wishing|wands of wishing]], where one last [[wish]] can be immensely useful; it is nevertheless possible with any wand.
 A [[Cancellation|cancelled]] wand cannot be wrested from, as the internal charge counter is set to -1 by the act of cancellation.
 ==Strategy==
-The usual technique associated with wresting is to #[[adjust]] the wand to the [[z]] inventory slot and holding down the {{kbd|z}} key to zap the wand repeatedly, greatly reducing the amount of real time and effort needed to extract the wrested charge. Be sure to pay attention to what's going on around you while you hold down the key, or you may end up dead without knowing what killed you. Ideally you'd quickly tap the {{kbd|z}} key instead of holding it.
+The usual technique associated with wresting is to #[[adjust]] the wand to the [[z]] inventory slot and holding down the {{kbd|z}} key to zap the wand repeatedly, greatly reducing the amount of real time and effort needed to extract the wrested charge. Be sure to pay attention to what's going on around you while you hold down the key, or you may end up dead without knowing what killed you. Ideally you'd quickly tap the {{kbd|z}} key instead of holding it. Tapping {{kbd|ctrl|a}} (redo command) is an alternative to tapping {{kbd|z}}.
-Tapping {{kbd|ctrl|a}} (redo command) is an alternative to tapping {{kbd|z}}.
+It's not possible to use the wrested charge from a [[wand of fire]], [[wand of lightning|lightning]], or [[wand of digging|digging]] to engrave with.
 zaps are needed for a 50% chance of success.
 Prior to 3.6.0, a useful alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing was to engrave with them while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write did not consume a game turn, but did attempt to use the wand. This was [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, if you [[adjust]] the wand to {{kbd|E}} and hold down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt. This made exploiting the bug much faster with levitation.
 ==References==
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 [[Category:Strategy]]
-{{nethack-343}}
+{{nethack-366}}

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-When zapping or engraving with a wand that has no charges remaining, there is a one in 121 chance that you will '''wrest''' another charge out of the wand, yielding the message "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." and providing you with one last bit of magic after which the wand crumbles to dust. It is most commonly cited in connection with [[wand of wishing|wands of wishing]], where one last [[wish]] can be immensely useful; it is nevertheless possible with any wand.
+When zapping or engraving with a wand that has no charges remaining, there is a 1 in 121 chance that you will '''wrest''' another charge out of the wand, yielding the message "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." and providing you with one last bit of magic after which the wand crumbles to dust. It is most commonly cited in connection with [[wand of wishing|wands of wishing]], where one last [[wish]] can be immensely useful; it is nevertheless possible with any wand.
 A [[Cancellation|cancelled]] wand cannot be wrested from, as the internal charge counter is set to -1 by the act of cancellation.
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 zaps are needed for a 50% chance of success.
-An alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing is to engrave with it while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write do not consume a game turn, but do attempt to use the wand. This is [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, if you [[adjust]] the wand to {{kbd|E}} and hold down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt, and no turns are consumed in the process. This makes exploiting this bug much faster with levitation.
+Prior to 3.6.0, a useful alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing was to engrave with them while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write did not consume a game turn, but did attempt to use the wand. This was [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, if you [[adjust]] the wand to {{kbd|E}} and hold down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt. This made exploiting the bug much faster with levitation.
 If you manage to wrest the last charge out of your wand while engraving, you get the message "You are not going to get anywhere trying to write in the dust (or frost, if trying to write on ice) with your dust."{{refsrc|engrave.c|864}}

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−	~~There~~ is a one in 121 chance ~~when zapping or engraving with a [[wand]] to~~ '''wrest''' another charge out of the wand, yielding the message "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." and providing you with one last bit of magic after which the wand crumbles to dust. It is most commonly cited in connection with [[wand of wishing\|wands of wishing]], where one last [[wish]] can be immensely useful; it is nevertheless possible with any wand.	+	When zapping or engraving with a wand that has no charges remaining, there is a one in 121 chance that you will '''wrest''' another charge out of the wand, yielding the message "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." and providing you with one last bit of magic after which the wand crumbles to dust. It is most commonly cited in connection with [[wand of wishing\|wands of wishing]], where one last [[wish]] can be immensely useful; it is nevertheless possible with any wand.

	A [[Cancellation\|cancelled]] wand cannot be wrested from, as the internal charge counter is set to -1 by the act of cancellation.		A [[Cancellation\|cancelled]] wand cannot be wrested from, as the internal charge counter is set to -1 by the act of cancellation.

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	[[Category:Strategy]]		[[Category:Strategy]]
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 An alternative for non-directional wands such as wishing is to engrave with it while levitating, or to abort when prompted what text to engrave. Unsuccessful and canceled attempts to write do not consume a game turn, but do attempt to use the wand. This is [[bug#C343-246|bug C343-246]]. When levitating, if you [[adjust]] the wand to {{kbd|E}} and hold down that key you will get your wrest very quickly. This is safe because the "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand." message triggers a more prompt, and no turns are consumed in the process. This makes exploiting this bug much faster with levitation.
-This bug has been fixed on [[NAO]].
+This bug, contrary to earlier reports, has not been fixed on [[NAO]].
 If you manage to wrest the last charge out of your wand while engraving, you get the message "You are not going to get anywhere trying to write in the dust (or frost, if trying to write on ice) with your dust."{{refsrc|engrave.c|864}}