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Umbire the Phantom: /* YASI */ detailing here

2025-03-15T19:42:59Z

‎YASI: detailing here

Umbire the Phantom: /* Examples of YANIs in vanilla NetHack */ right, that's why the space wasn't there before

2025-03-15T19:40:39Z

‎Examples of YANIs in vanilla NetHack: right, that's why the space wasn't there before

Umbire the Phantom: aiyaaaa

2025-03-15T19:40:18Z

aiyaaaa

Umbire the Phantom: detailing, some todo stuff

2025-03-15T19:39:52Z

detailing, some todo stuff

Umbire the Phantom: /* Description */ wordsmith

2025-03-15T13:32:16Z

‎Description: wordsmith

Umbire the Phantom: /* Examples of YANIs in vanilla NetHack */ commit for upcoming

2025-03-15T13:16:55Z

‎Examples of YANIs in vanilla NetHack: commit for upcoming

Umbire the Phantom: reorganize, etc.

2025-03-15T13:14:03Z

reorganize, etc.

Umbire the Phantom: /* External links */ update link

2025-03-15T13:13:09Z

‎External links: update link

Umbire the Phantom: upcoming

2023-09-24T02:20:32Z

upcoming

Actual-nh: /* Small matter of programming */ AKA Simple Matter of Programming

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‎Small matter of programming: AKA Simple Matter of Programming

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 ==YASI==
-The abbreviation '''YASI''', which stands for '''Yet Another Silly Idea''', is sometimes used when the idea in question is impractical, ridiculous, or pointless. There is some amount of overlap between YASIs and [[Evil Patch Idea]]s, though most YASIs are not intended to be evil.
+The abbreviation '''YASI''', which stands for '''Yet Another Silly Idea''', is sometimes used when the idea in question is impractical, ridiculous or pointless (often knowingly so, if applied by the person making the suggestion themselves). There is some amount of overlap between YASIs and [[Evil Patch Idea]]s, though most YASIs are not intended to be evil.
 ==Small matter of programming==

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 ** [[Trollsbane]] prevents [[Troll (monster class)|troll]] [[corpse]]s from [[reviving]] while wielded, implemented in NetHack 3.6.1 via {{commit|14bd550481506798ebf7388f94e960069abfa8af}}.
-{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|* One periodically suggested idea was for the [[amulet of restful sleep]] to confer some useful property while asleep, usually greater healing so as to make the "restful" part of the name meaningful. In 2020, [[User:Paxed|Paxed]] implemented this via {{commit|91c46ab54b08556c9561e3cdb2e01fa2e56a9f27}} in the form of a hungerless regeneration that stacks with ordinary regeneration while asleep with restful sleep.
 * Another was allowing Fire Brand to create burnt [[engraving]]s similar to a [[wand of fire]], as seen in [https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/4.html #4 on the YANI archive]. This is implemented via {{commit|928677c810fa56ee1b838238e6ee0d5ac13aae79}}, with {{commit|de31fd48065ad86730ae5714ae9f023a85d2701e}} adding a comment noting this in the code proper.

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 * Several [[artifact YANIs]] are implemented as well:
 ** [[Demonbane]] blocks [[demon gating]] while wielded, implemented in NetHack 3.6.1 via {{commit|f106b578a25b49e6d4de8dcde72347af0324caa6}}.
-** [[Dragonbane]] grants [[reflection]] while wielded, implemented in NetHack 3.6.1 via {{commit\06bd0d426b257e3cfb687bbb69570f61550bbbe8}}.
+** [[Dragonbane]] grants [[reflection]] while wielded, implemented in NetHack 3.6.1 via {{commit|06bd0d426b257e3cfb687bbb69570f61550bbbe8}}.
-** [[Trollsbane]] prevents [[Troll (monster class)|troll]] [[corpse]]s from [[reviving]] while wielded https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/14bd550481506798ebf7388f94e960069abfa8af
+** [[Trollsbane]] prevents [[Troll (monster class)|troll]] [[corpse]]s from [[reviving]] while wielded, implemented in NetHack 3.6.1 via {{commit|14bd550481506798ebf7388f94e960069abfa8af}}.
 {{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|

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 While a number of YANIs were incorporated into vanilla after first being implemented in a variant, there have been a few recent ones that were incorporated directly:
-* Sometime in 2017, it was suggested on IRC that the [[blessed]] [[scroll of fire]] be made targetable within a certain radius, just like the [[scroll of stinking cloud]] is. This was later added into the next vanilla release, [[3.6.1]].
+* Sometime in 2017, it was suggested on IRC that the [[blessed]] [[scroll of fire]] be made target-able within a certain radius, just like the [[scroll of stinking cloud]] is. This was later added into the the-upcoming vanilla release, [[NetHack 3.6.1]], via {{commit|c7d13d6fa3da684472cdf8e0f34fb2c3dcc66315}}.
-* In 2018, [[User:Ais523|Alex Smith]] asked on IRC for an idea for a small, easily implementable feature. Several suggestions were made; the one that was ultimately added to 3.6.1 was water sliding off of [[oilskin sack]]s and [[auto-identify]]ing them in the process.
+* In 2018, [[User:Ais523|Alex Smith]] asked on IRC for an idea for a small, easily implementable feature. Several suggestions were made, with the one that was ultimately added to NetHack 3.6.1 being [[oilskin sack]]s [[auto-identify]]ing when the hero sees water slide off of them, implemented via {{commit|2b7b2af9eb1f5dcefa601e6813fe5fd308b1067b}}.
-{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|* One periodically suggested idea was for the [[amulet of restful sleep]] to confer some useful property while asleep, usually greater healing so as to make the "restful" part of the name meaningful. In 2020, [[User:Paxed|Paxed]] implemented this via {{commit|91c46ab54b08556c9561e3cdb2e01fa2e56a9f27}} in the form of a hungerless regeneration that stacks with ordinary regeneration while asleep with restful sleep.}}
+* Several [[artifact YANIs]] are implemented as well:
-{{todo|Other YANIs later incorporated in the game? Beginning with NetHack 3.6.1, several of these ideas have been implemented: Demonbane blocks demon gating while wielded; Dragonbane confers reflection while wielded; Trollsbane prevents trolls from reviving while wielded; Ogresmasher grants 25 constitution while wielded; and Cleaver hits up to three adjacent enemies in an arc.}}
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|
 ==Examples of YANIs in Variants==
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 The abbreviation '''YASI''', which stands for '''Yet Another Silly Idea''', is sometimes used when the idea in question is impractical, ridiculous, or pointless. There is some amount of overlap between YASIs and [[Evil Patch Idea]]s, though most YASIs are not intended to be evil.
-== Small matter of programming ==
+==Small matter of programming==
 '''Small matter of programming''' ([http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/SMOP.html SMOP]) might be a way of saying that a feature would be trivial to write, but can more often be an ironic way of saying that a YANI might be a good mechanic in theory, but would be a headache to code. Examples of such YANIs include:
-*[[Hallucination]] gradually fades back to normal vision as the player recovers&mdash;this is implemented in [[GruntHack]].
+*[[Hallucination]] gradually fades back to normal vision as the player recovers&mdash;this is successfully implemented in [[GruntHack]], proving that SMOPs are not necessarily ''impossible'' so much as they are tedious or complicated.
 *[[Woodchuck]]s can pick up and throw [[wood golem]]s.
 *[[Marilith]]s can wield six weapons and wear six rings. [[Ettin]]s can wear two helmets, two amulets, and so forth.{{refsrc|sounds.c|887}}

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 "The artifacts need to be rebalanced" is a common one - see [[Artifact YANIs]] for details.
-[https://nethack-yanis.github.io The NetHack Ideas Archive] is a repository of YANIs posted on IRC, organized by variant, author and tags. NetHackWiki also partly acts as a repository for editors' YANIs; See [[:Category:YANI]] for a list of these pages.
+[https://nethack-yanis.github.io The NetHack Ideas Archive] is a repository of YANIs posted on IRC, organized by variant, author and tags. NetHackWiki also partly acts as a repository for editors' YANIs, which can be viewed in [[:Category:YANI|the appropriate category]].
 ==Examples of YANIs in vanilla NetHack==

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 '''Small matter of programming''' ([http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/SMOP.html SMOP]) might be a way of saying that a feature would be trivial to write, but can more often be an ironic way of saying that a YANI might be a good mechanic in theory, but would be a headache to code. Examples of such YANIs include:
-*[[Hallucination]] gradually fades back to normal vision as the player recovers (implemented in [[GruntHack]]).
+*[[Hallucination]] gradually fades back to normal vision as the player recovers&mdash;this is implemented in [[GruntHack]].
 *[[Woodchuck]]s can pick up and throw [[wood golem]]s.
 *[[Marilith]]s can wield six weapons and wear six rings. [[Ettin]]s can wear two helmets, two amulets, and so forth.{{refsrc|sounds.c|887}}
 *[[Ray]]s and [[projectile]]s can be fired at an arbitrary target square, not just vertically, horizontally and diagonally.
-== References ==
+==External links==
 <references/>
 {{noversion}}
 [[Category:Acronyms]]
 [[Category:YANI]]

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 == External links ==
-* [http://l.j-factor.com/nethack.html L's Patches that incorporate many YANI's]
+* [https://web.archive.org/web/20190923025238/http://l.j-factor.com/nethack/ L's Patches] via Wayback Machine, many of which incorporate common YANIs
 {{noversion}}
 [[Category:Acronyms]]
 [[Category:YANI]]

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-'''YANI''' is short for '''Yet Another New Idea''', and is commonly used in the [[RGRN]] and [[IRC]] communities to suggest new ideas to be incorporated into the game.
+'''YANI''' is short for '''Yet Another New Idea''', and is commonly used in the [[RGRN]] and [[IRC]] communities for ''[[NetHack]]'' to suggest new ideas to be incorporated into the game.
-Very, very few, if any, YANIs ever get included in the official game, unless a working [[patch]] had been provided with the YANI, in which case the chance of official incorporation is raised to slim.  In [[variants]], however, incorporation of YANIs is more common; several variants even make it a goal to implement popular YANIs.
+==Description==
-"The artifacts need to be rebalanced" is a common one. See [[Artifact YANIs]] for details.
+"The artifacts need to be rebalanced" is a common one - see [[Artifact YANIs]] for details.
 [https://nethack-yanis.github.io The NetHack Ideas Archive] is a repository of YANIs posted on IRC, organized by variant, author and tags. NetHackWiki also partly acts as a repository for editors' YANIs; See [[:Category:YANI]] for a list of these pages.
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 While a number of YANIs were incorporated into vanilla after first being implemented in a variant, there have been a few recent ones that were incorporated directly:
-*Sometime in 2017, it was suggested on IRC that the [[blessed]] [[scroll of fire]] be made targetable within a certain radius, just like the [[scroll of stinking cloud]] is. This was later added into the next vanilla release, [[3.6.1]].
+* Sometime in 2017, it was suggested on IRC that the [[blessed]] [[scroll of fire]] be made targetable within a certain radius, just like the [[scroll of stinking cloud]] is. This was later added into the next vanilla release, [[3.6.1]].
-*In 2018, [[User:Ais523|Alex Smith]] asked on IRC for an idea for a small, easily implementable feature. Several suggestions were made; the one that was ultimately added to 3.6.1 was water sliding off of [[oilskin sack]]s and [[auto-identify]]ing them in the process.
+* In 2018, [[User:Ais523|Alex Smith]] asked on IRC for an idea for a small, easily implementable feature. Several suggestions were made; the one that was ultimately added to 3.6.1 was water sliding off of [[oilskin sack]]s and [[auto-identify]]ing them in the process.
-*One periodically suggested idea was for the [[amulet of restful sleep]] to confer some useful property while asleep, usually greater healing so as to make the "restful" part of the name meaningful. In 2020, [[User:Paxed|Paxed]] implemented this, in the form of a hungerless regeneration that stacks with ordinary regeneration while asleep with restful sleep.
+{{upcoming|3.7.0|* One periodically suggested idea was for the [[amulet of restful sleep]] to confer some useful property while asleep, usually greater healing so as to make the "restful" part of the name meaningful. In 2020, [[User:Paxed|Paxed]] implemented this, in the form of a hungerless regeneration that stacks with ordinary regeneration while asleep with restful sleep.}}
 {{todo|Other YANIs later incorporated in the game? Beginning with NetHack 3.6.1, several of these ideas have been implemented: Demonbane blocks demon gating while wielded; Dragonbane confers reflection while wielded; Trollsbane prevents trolls from reviving while wielded; Ogresmasher grants 25 constitution while wielded; and Cleaver hits up to three adjacent enemies in an arc.}}