Forum:My calculation about the best weapon to choose

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I calculated the best weapon to choose, depending on role, race and alignment. I simply show the table, with these assumptions:

  • Every weapon in this sheet has +7 enchantment, is blessed, and is erodeproof.
  • You have max skill.
  • You don't want to get blasted by artifact weapons.
  • You don't want to get alignment penalty for using poison if you are Lawful.
  • About melee weapons table, obviously, you don't want to achieve "Never hit with a wielded weapon" conduct. Monks are not an exception.
  • About projectiles table, you have strength at 25. (probably from gauntlets of power.)

The tables

Melee weapons (without artifacts)

Role Melee weapon
In Dungeons of Doom In Gehennom
Archeologist two crysknifes two silver sabers
Barbarian two tridents
Caveman a dwarvish mattock or a trident
Healer a unicorn horn or a crysknife
Knight two katanas
Monk a tsurugi or a trident
Priest a tsurugi or a trident
Ranger a tsurugi or a crysknife
Rogue two crysknives
Samurai two katanas
Tourist two crysknives two silver sabers
Valkyrie two katanas
Wizard a battle-axe or a crysknife

Melee weapons (with artifacts)

Role Alignment Primary melee weapon Secondary melee weapon
(If you are able to #twoweapon)
Sidenotes
In Dungeons of Doom In Gehenom In Dungeons of Doom In Gehenom
Archeologist Lawful the Fire Brand the Grayswandir a katana Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing
Neutral the Frost Brand
Barbarian (any) the Fire Brand the Frost Brand a trident
Caveman Lawful the Fire Brand the Grayswandir
Neutral the Frost Brand
Healer Neutral the Staff of Aesculapius
Knight Lawful the Fire Brand the Grayswandir a katana
Monk Lawful the Fire Brand the Grayswandir
(other) the Frost Brand
Priest Lawful the Fire Brand the Grayswandir
Neutral the Mjollnir
Chaotic the Frost Brand
Ranger (any) the Fire Brand the Frost Brand
Rogue Chaotic the Fire Brand the Frost Brand a crysknife
Samurai Lawful the Fire Brand the Frost Brand a katana
Tourist Neutral the Fire Brand the Frost Brand a crysknife a silver saber
Valkyrie (any) the Fire Brand the Frost Brand a katana
Wizard (any) the Fire Brand the Frost Brand

Projectiles (not updated)

Role Race Alignment In Dungeons of Doom In Gehenom Sidenotes
Archeologist (any) Lawful boomerangs
Neutral poisoned shurikens Perhaps want to be unrestricted of shuriken by crowning.
Barbarian Human (any) poisoned shurikens Perhaps want to be unrestricted of shuriken by crowning.
Orc Chaotic poisoned orcish arrows Use an orcish bow for launcher.
Caveman (any) Lawful boomerangs
Neutral poisoned ya poisoned silver arrows Use any bow for launcher.
Healer (any) Neutral poisoned darts
Knight Human Lawful dwarvish spears silver spears
Monk Human Lawful dwarvish spears silver spears
(other) poisoned shurikens
Priest Elf Chaotic poisoned elven arrows Use an elven bow for launcher.
Human Lawful dwarvish spears silver spears
(other) poisoned shurikens
Ranger Elf Chaotic poisoned elven arrows Use an elven bow for launcher.
Orc Chaotic poisoned orcish arrows poisoned darts Use an orcish bow for launcher.
(other) (any) poisoned darts
Rogue (any) Chaotic poisoned darts
Samurai Human Lawful shurikens
Tourist Human Neutral poisoned darts
Valkyrie (any) (any) silver daggers
Wizard (any) (any) poisoned darts

--NDos (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Updated as of version 3.6.2. --NDos (talk) 02:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Write your opinions here

This table seems to assume no strength damage bonus (see "table of attribute adjustments" in weap-343.txt, or dbon in weapon.c), i.e. STR between 8 to 15 inclusive. In the late game (which these calculations otherwise seem to be for), most characters should have their stats pretty close to maximized, which improves the damage significantly for most weapons, but crucially, not for missiles fired from a launcher (i.e. arrows, bolts and sling stones; see uhitm.c, line 892). Thus, while e.g. low-strength Rogues can maximize their damage output with poisoned crossbow bolts, a late-game Rogue with 18/** STR is much better off throwing daggers. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I fixed the table. Thank you for finding error. It turns out Rogue's best weapon is (surprisingly) darts, though. --NDos (talk) 05:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Katanas are very hard to find, so what is the best second option? I suppose there are long swords, but I want confirmation.

Too, it is logical to think that silver sabers are supreme in Gehennom. Am I missing a point?

In that case, a normal long sword turns out to be a good replacement. For silver sabers in Gehennom, your argument actually turns out to be true for Archeologists since NetHack 3.6.0, when the mechanism of two-handed combat changed. This table is to be updated later. --NDos (talk) 11:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Also, the current (2018.10.03) version respects monsters' frequency, but not their difficulty, which will be respected in next version. --NDos (talk) 12:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion Fire Brand is terrible, and Frost Brand slightly less so, because they kill all those items you'd otherwise be getting from defeated opponents. Maybe the table should also present a "best weapon that does not destroy valuable loot" (so Mjollnir is also nonexistant, obviously). --Bluescreenofdeath (talk) 08:23, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

In that case, use Grayswandir for lawfuls, use Vorpal Blade for neutrals, use Stormbringer for chaotics, and use Sceptre of Might for neutral cavemen. --NDos (talk) 23:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Mjollnir is not that bad, honestly. It only explodes wands and rings; most monsters don't carry rings, and wands become plentiful by midgame, especially since most attack wands also destroy loot and thus don't see much use by players with this mindset. But I agree that Fire Brand sucks: one can never have enough scrolls and potions. Tomsod (talk) 13:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah most wands are pretty useless, not only because they destroy items but also because their damage doesn't scale; however, wands of death are pretty rare and it's SO disheartening to have to read "The soldier's wand of death breaks apart and explodes!" because it means I'll have one less wand of death for Rodney and the riders. --Bluescreenofdeath (talk) 11:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Also I think you're overestimating the undesirability of the artifact blast. My neutral and chaotic characters often end up with Grayswandir, and occasional 5 points of damage don't inconvenience me at all. Possibly it's because I don't switch to a different weapon often; if I had to use a bow as well, I can see how it would be annoying. Tomsod (talk) 09:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

This is unrelated, so forgive me. Unless I am badly missing something, there seems to be an issue with the Add new topic button. I tried creating a new topic manually to talk about it, but it doesn't appear in the forum. You can view that here: https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Forum:Add_new_topic_button_issue Hmm. Any help?

Thanks, TK (talk) 15:06, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

All [UI] buttons are supposed to issue—is this a good issue or bad issue? Lysdexia (talk) 14:45, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Same problem you mentioned on the Octal page. The Add new topic button no longer allows you to add a new topic. TK (talk) 16:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)