Forum:Too many wishes

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After my last Lvl 30 val was overwhelmed by summon nasties monsters on the way back up with the amulet, I’ve got a new Val with potential.

By luck I’ve managed to find 7 magic lamps and a WOW with 1 final charge from several bones levels, and I’ve yet to reach the castle level. The bones files have also kitted me out with all the armor I need, which is now fully enchanted and rust/fire proof, I have Excalibur and Molnjir, and a silver saber. I’ve a bunch of magic markers in my stash.

Now I’m not sure what (if anything) I should be wishing for with all those unused blessed magic lamps and the guaranteed wand of wishin from the castle.

For my last unsuccessful run, I feel I was underprepared as I was unable to overcome the nasties that Rodney kept summoning.

Tandeejay (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Spoiler alert...

Maybe take the advantage to break some conducts? Ideas:

  • Polymorph control and unchanging, then become an arch-lich.
    • You'll regenerate and get hit less.
  • Artifacts, like Eyes of the Overworld or Grayswandir.
  • Cockatrice corpse, when surrounded by monsters in the endgame.
    • Save some wand charges for this, use lamps for the other things...

Those should already give you a much easier time. If you make and stockpile potions of full healing, polyself to arch-lich and have the valkyrie quest artifact, losing all HP even surrounded by monsters will take a really long time.

Less helpful but fun:

  • Blessed ki-rin figurine.
    • Get a saddle and train with a horse first.
  • Helm of Brilliance and spellbooks, then try to play also as a spellcaster.
    • Get a robe and some non-armor form of magic resistance, wear SDSM.
    • For spellcasting energy, maybe get the priest or wizard quest artifact, depending on alignment.


Thanks, that's an interesting idea. Question: I've already Genocided Arch-Liches, is it safe to polymorph into one?

Also, there are already 6 Artifacts in game. Excalibur, Mjollnir, Demonbane, Dragonbane, Sting, Magicbane, and I have the Orb of Weight. Isn't that going to affect the chance of getting an artifact by wishing?

I've got a bunch of spell books in my stash, so that spellcaster option could work too.

My alignment is lawful but I do have a helm of opposite alignment in my stash...

Tandeejay (talk) 00:18, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Your are unlikely to get an artifact with 6 already generated. Still possible, but highly unlikely.

You'll die immediately if you polymorph into a monster that has been removed via genocide. [Edit: I was incorrectly recalling the result if you manage to genocide your own race while in a different, polymoprhed form.]

User (talk) 05:08, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

If you're going to wish for a figurine, go for an Archon, in my opinion.

Magic Missile is great for clearing out nasties quickly, though as mentioned you'd likely want to boost your spellcasting abilities.

There're probably some helpful ideas on the Wiki page for Wishing.

TK (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

It's impossible to polymorph into a genocided form. Attempting will just yield a message saying "You feel rather [monster]ish". As for what to wish for, in my experience magic marker is something you'll never really have enough of; even if you don't have any more scrolls you want to write you can always use them frivolously to attempt writing spells you might want to cast, or surplus gold detection for Water, or more mapping scrolls, or such. Alternatively you can use them on rings of increase damage or protection or such and eat them in hope of gaining stats, though they really don't matter all that much once you have enough of them. YakumoRising (talk) 15:23, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Do you need that much gold detection on the Plane of Water? After using a single (non-cursed) scroll, the portal will always be shown when you can see where it is, even as it moves. - Andrio Celos (talk) 09:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Havn't used any of those wishes yet... completed castle level, and Valley of the Dead. (No access to Fort Ludos in this game :( ) Found another bones pile in the valley of the dead which contained The Eye of the Aethiopica, but I can't touch it, keep getting blasted... oh well, the BOH was full of spell books and potions rings and stuff... looks like the previous owner was a hoarder... More armor from that pile... now stored in my stash... just reading up on ascension kit items... As I've never ascended before, I'd be happy just to ascend, so won't try anything tricky for this run... I've got a blessed figurine of an Archon... Havn't applied that yet, as last time I had one of those, I fell through a trapdoor, and by the time I got back to the level with my pet Archon, it had gone wild... so was going to save it until I start having trouble with summoned nasties... Magic markers sounds like the way to go then.

Tandeejay (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2018 (UTC)