User talk:Soviet5lo

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suggested changes

Hello :P

A few changes of slashem extended that a find particularly cruel and i think should be reverted in slashtem.

• Altars have a chance of disappearing.

• unicorn horns have a chance of ... turning to dust or blowing up (don't remember what it was). And there is a chance that lost stats aren't fixed.

• Elbereth isn't 100% reliable.

What you think? --Quantum Immortal (talk) 05:40, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

In the current dev build I haven't pushed yet I've removed the chance of altars disappearing and unicorn horns turning to dust/permanently removing stats and attributes. I want to say that the elbereth thing is okay since elbereth needed a bit of a nerf to begin with, just not as extreme as it was in Slash'EM Extended (all engravings not being permanent, among a few others). --Soviet5lo (talk) 01:34, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Good. I think the altar and unicorn thing were quite nasty. I played once, and the altar disappeared before i got my artifact O_O .

According to Role difficulty/Variants, a wizard in slashem is alredy at 5% ascension rate(i think it is an under estimate, it's not really that bad), other roles rates are also quite bad.

You say you never ascended, i normally can ascend a wizard in slash'em, i wouldn't try to guess my ascension rate though ( beater then 5%). When you'll make your changes i'll try to ascend a wizard in slashthem(with some save scumming :P, when i started playing slashem, i even ate an asphinx B[). Magicbane's ability to engrave Elbereth is very important, you can't use magic until the mid game, the wizard is a bad fighter with low HP and you can't use magic with dragon mail. Nerfing Elbereth, nerfs Magicbane and also makes the early game harder for weak fighter classes.

Magicbane is very important for an early wizard, athames start appearing when the player doesn't really need them, in the early game wands that can engrave are rare with limited charges and dust engravings are alredy very unreliable in them selves. Elbereth loses most of it's usefulness when a character reaches the mid game. It is still useful for very nasty monsters, like mind flayers though.

My point is, 5% is low enough alredy! You should revert Elbereth also. I would suggest, to beef up instead certain monsters ranged attacks to compensate if it bothers you so much.--Quantum Immortal (talk) 03:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Ranged attacks in Slash'EM Extended have actually been buffed considerably. I like Sporkhack's method of nerfing Elbereth, but considering the large amount of "cheap" monsters added by Slash'EM Extended...perhaps it would be best to revert Elbereth behavior back to the way it is in Vanilla/Slash'EM for now. After I do a mass role/race/object/monster cleanup in a month or so, we'll see if it's overpowered or not. Maybe if I do end up re-nerfing it, I'll add a define in config.h that can toggle the nerf on/off. How does that sound? --Soviet5lo (talk) 03:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

... Ok for now. You could wait first to see some players actually ascending. I'll first try a samurai, and then a wizard. How is it weakened any way? It correlates to monster level?--Quantum Immortal (talk) 05:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Sporkhack correlates the success of Elbereth with monster level, yes. Weak monsters it works 100% of the time, with more difficult monsters its a bit harder to use successfully but not to the point where it's completely useless to even attempt. I'll juggle a few ideas to see if there's any better approaches to this. --Soviet5lo (talk) 07:52, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I guess i was over reacting. What is the precise algorithm, it isn't in the wiki (beater add it in the Elbereth article). What about adding the failure rate of Elbereth in pokedex?--Quantum Immortal (talk) 03:06, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Sporkhack's algorithm is to roll a d100 die and check if the result is lower than the resistance percentage, which is calculated as (Monster Level * 1.5) - 3 if the monster level is below 10, and Monster Level * 2.0 otherwise. A Level 50 monster would always ignore Elbereth, in that case. As for adding it to the pokedex I'm not sure, I haven't really looked into its function all that much. --Soviet5lo (talk) 04:29, 9 May 2015 (UTC)