User:Tungtn/Physical damage analysis/Rogue

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Rogues get a +d(XL) damage bonus for melee and thrown hits for fleeing monsters when NOT two-weaponing.

Backstab applies for each hit.

Backstab is applied BEFORE artifact double damage!

When comparing damage, add (XL+1)/2 for each hit if not two weaponing.

Rogues get +1 multishot with daggers of any kind.

Rogues start with a potion of sickness, allowing poisoned darts to be created earlier than other roles.

Early game (experience level 1)

+0 short sword

  • start str: +0
  • basic skill: +0
  • non-backstab
    • 1 / 3.5 / 6
  • backstab (+d1)
    • 2 / 4.5 / 7

+0 daggers (thrown)

  • thrown: no str bonus
  • basic dagger: +0
  • rogue multishot: x1 / x1.5 / x2
  • non-backstab
    • small: 1 / 3.75 / 8
    • large: 1 / 3 / 6
  • backstab (+d1)
    • small: 2 / 5.25 / 10
    • large: 2 / 4.5 / 8

+0 poisoned darts (thrown)

  • thrown: no str bonus
  • unskilled dart: -2
  • multishot: x1 / x1 / x1
  • non-backstab
    • unpoisoned/poison-resist
      • small: 1 / 1 / 1
      • large: 1 / 1 / 1
    • poisoned (applied after other bonuses/penalties)
      • small: 2 / 4.5 / 7
      • large: 2 / 4.5 / 7
  • backstab (+d1)
    • unpoisoned/poison-resist
      • small: 2 / 2 / 2
      • large: 2 / 2 / 2
    • poisoned (applied after other bonuses/penalties)
      • small: 3 / 5.5 / 8
      • large: 3 / 5.5 / 8

In the early game, thrown daggers out-damage the starting short sword. Poisoned darts do respectable damage if they hit monsters that don't resist poison.

Mid game (experience level 10)

+0 elven short sword

  • 18 str: +2
  • expert short sword: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)
  • subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +5 (DynaHack)
  • NetHack
    • non-backstab
      • 5 / 8.5 / 12
    • backstab (+d10)
      • 6 / 14 / 22
  • DynaHack
    • non-backstab
      • 6 / 9.5 / 13
    • backstab (+d10)
      • 7 / 15 / 23

+0 crysknife

  • 18 str: +2
  • expert knife: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)
  • subtotal of bonuses: +4 or +5 (DynaHack)
  • NetHack
    • non-backstab
      • 5 / 9.5 / 14
    • backstab (+d10)
      • 6 / 15 / 24
  • DynaHack
    • non-backstab
      • 6 / 10.5 / 15
    • backstab (+d10)
      • 7 / 16 / 25

+0 daggers (thrown)

  • thrown: no str bonus
  • expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)
  • rogue multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4
  • NetHack
    • non-backstab
      • small: 3 / 11.25 / 24
      • large: 3 / 10 / 20
    • backstab (+d10)
      • small: 4 / 25 / 64
      • large: 4 / 23.75 / 60
  • DynaHack
    • non-backstab
      • small: 4 / 13.75 / 28
      • large: 4 / 12.5 / 24
    • backstab (+d10)
      • small: 5 / 27.5 / 68
      • large: 5 / 26.25 / 64

+0 poisoned darts (thrown)

  • thrown: no str bonus
  • expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)
  • multishot: x1 / x2 / x3
  • NetHack
    • non-backstab
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 3 / 8 / 15
        • large: 3 / 7 / 12
      • poisoned
        • small: 4 / 15 / 33
        • large: 4 / 14 / 30
    • backstab (+d10)
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 4 / 19 / 45
        • large: 4 / 18 / 42
      • poisoned
        • small: 5 / 26 / 63
        • large: 5 / 25 / 60
  • DynaHack
    • non-backstab
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 4 / 10 / 18
        • large: 4 / 9 / 15
      • poisoned
        • small: 5 / 17 / 36
        • large: 5 / 16 / 33
    • backstab (+d10)
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 5 / 21 / 48
        • large: 5 / 20 / 45
      • poisoned
        • small: 6 / 28 / 66
        • large: 6 / 27 / 63

two-weapon +0 elven short sword, +0 crysknife

  • 18 str: +2
    • applied twice for two-weapon
  • expert short sword, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)
  • expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)
  • subtotal of bonuses: +6 or +8 (DynaHack)
  • NetHack
    • 8 / 16 / 24
  • DynaHack
    • 10 / 18 / 26

+0 Stormbringer (sacrifice)

  • 18 str: +2
  • skilled broadsword: +1
  • subtotal of bonuses: +3
  • non-backstab
    • resist
      • small: 5 / 8 / 11
      • large: 5 / 7.5 / 10
    • non-resist
      • small: 7 / 14 / 21
      • large: 7 / 13.5 / 20
  • backstab (+d10)
    • resist
      • small: 6 / 13.5 / 21
      • large: 6 / 13 / 20
    • non-resist
      • small: 8 / 19.5 / 31
      • large: 8 / 19 / 30

two-weapon +0 Stormbringer, +0 crysknife

  • 18 str: +2
    • applied twice for two-weapon
  • skilled broadsword, expert two-weapon: +0
  • expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)
  • subtotal of bonuses: +5 or +6 (DynaHack)
  • NetHack
    • resist
      • small: 8 / 15.5 / 23
      • large: 8 / 15 / 22
    • non-resist
      • small: 10 / 21.5 / 33
      • large: 10 / 21 / 32
  • DynaHack
    • resist
      • small: 9 / 16.5 / 24
      • large: 9 / 16 / 23
    • non-resist
      • small: 11 / 22.5 / 34
      • large: 11 / 22 / 33

Late game (experience level 15)

+7 Stormbringer (sacrifice)

  • 18/** str: +6
  • skilled broadsword: +1
  • subtotal of bonuses: +7
  • non-backstab
    • resist
      • small: 16 / 19 / 22
      • large: 16 / 18.5 / 21
    • non-resist
      • small: 18 / 25 / 32
      • large: 18 / 24.5 / 31
  • backstab (+d15 = 1 / 8 / 15)
    • resist
      • small: 17 / 27 / 37
      • large: 17 / 26.5 / 36
    • non-resist
      • small: 19 / 33 / 47
      • large: 19 / 32.5 / 46

+7 Grayswandir

  • 18/** str: +6
  • skilled saber: +1
  • subtotal of bonuses: +7
  • non-backstab
    • non-silver: 23 / 30 / 37
    • silver: 24 / 40.5 / 57
  • backstab (+d15 BEFORE double damage)
    • non-silver: 25 / 46 / 67
    • silver: 26 / 56.5 / 87

+7 Frost Brand

  • 18/** str: +6
  • skilled long sword: +1
  • subtotal of bonuses: +7
  • non-backstab
    • resist
      • small: 15 / 18.5 / 22
      • large: 15 / 20.5 / 26
    • non-resist
      • small: 23 / 30 / 37
      • large: 23 / 34 / 45
  • backstab (+d15 BEFORE double damage)
    • resist
      • small: 24 / 41.5 / 59
      • large: 24 / 43.5 / 63
    • non-resist
      • small: 32 / 53 / 74
      • large: 32 / 57 / 82

two-weapon +7 Stormbringer, +7 crysknife

  • 18/** str: +6
    • applied twice for two-weapon
  • skilled broadsword, expert two-weapon: +0
  • expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)
  • subtotal of bonuses: +13 or +14 (DynaHack)
  • NetHack
    • resist
      • small: 30 / 37.5 / 45
      • large: 30 / 37 / 44
    • non-resist
      • small: 32 / 43.5 / 55
      • large: 32 / 43 / 54
  • DynaHack
    • resist
      • small: 31 / 38.5 / 46
      • large: 31 / 38 / 45
    • non-resist
      • small: 33 / 44.5 / 56
      • large: 33 / 44 / 55

two-weapon +7 Grayswandir, +7 crysknife

  • 18/** str: +6
    • applied twice for two-weapon
  • skilled saber, expert two-weapon: +0
  • expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)
  • subtotal of bonuses: +13 or +14 (DynaHack)
  • NetHack
    • non-silver: 37 / 48.5 / 60
    • silver: 38 / 59 / 80
  • DynaHack
    • non-silver: 38 / 49.5 / 61
    • silver: 39 / 60 / 81

two-weapon +7 Frost Brand, +7 crysknife

  • 18/** str: +6
    • applied twice for two-weapon
  • skilled long sword, expert two-weapon: +0
  • expert knife, expert two-weapon: +1 or +2 (DynaHack)
  • subtotal of bonuses: +13 or +14 (DynaHack)
  • NetHack
    • resist
      • small: 29 / 36 / 45
      • large: 29 / 39 / 49
    • non-resist
      • small: 37 / 48.5 / 60
      • large: 37 / 52.5 / 68
  • DynaHack
    • resist
      • small: 30 / 37 / 46
      • large: 30 / 40 / 50
    • non-resist
      • small: 38 / 49.5 / 61
      • large: 38 / 53.5 / 69

+7 silver daggers (thrown)

  • thrown: no str bonus
  • expert dagger: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)
  • rogue multishot: x1 / x2.5 / x4
  • NetHack
    • non-backstab
      • non-silver
        • small: 10 / 28.75 / 52
        • large: 10 / 27.5 / 48
      • silver
        • small: 11 / 55 / 132
        • large: 11 / 53.75 / 128
    • backstab (+d15)
      • non-silver
        • small: 11 / 48.75 / 112
        • large: 11 / 47.5 / 108
      • silver
        • small: 12 / 75 / 192
        • large: 12 / 73.75 / 188
  • DynaHack
    • non-backstab
      • non-silver
        • small: 11 / 31.25 / 56
        • large: 11 / 30 / 52
      • silver
        • small: 12 / 57.5 / 136
        • large: 12 / 56.25 / 132
    • backstab (+d15)
      • non-silver
        • small: 12 / 51.25 / 116
        • large: 12 / 50 / 112
      • silver
        • small: 13 / 77.5 / 196
        • large: 13 / 76.25 / 192

+7 poisoned darts (thrown)

  • thrown: no str bonus
  • expert dart: +2 or +3 (DynaHack)
  • multishot: x1 / x2 / x3
  • NetHack
    • non-backstab
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 10 / 22 / 36
        • large: 10 / 21 / 33
      • poisoned
        • small: 11 / 29 / 54
        • large: 11 / 28 / 51
    • backstab (+d15)
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 11 / 38 / 81
        • large: 11 / 37 / 78
      • poisoned
        • small: 12 / 45 / 99
        • large: 12 / 44 / 96
  • DynaHack
    • non-backstab
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 11 / 24 / 39
        • large: 11 / 23 / 36
      • poisoned
        • small: 12 / 31 / 57
        • large: 12 / 30 / 54
    • backstab (+d15)
      • unpoisoned/poison-resist
        • small: 12 / 40 / 84
        • large: 12 / 39 / 81
      • poisoned
        • small: 13 / 47 / 102
        • large: 13 / 46 / 99

Late game damage breakdowns

+7 Stormbringer

33/32.5 non-resist XL 15 backstab, 19/18.5 resist non-backstab:

  • +7 from enchantment
  • +6 from 18/** strength
  • +6 avg from Stormbringer draining effect
    • +d2 Stormbringer bonus damage
    • +d8 Stormbringer bonus draining effect
  • +5/4.5 avg from Stormbringer base damage
    • 2d4/d6+1 broadsword base damage
  • +1 from skilled broadsword
  • +8 avg from XL 15 rogue backstab
    • +d15 bonus backstab damage

+7 Grayswandir

56.5 silver XL 15 backstab, 30 non-silver non-backstab:

  • +14 from enchantment
    • +7 twice from Grayswandir
  • +6 from 18/** strength
  • +10.5 avg from silver
    • +d20 silver bonus damage
  • +9 avg from Grayswandir base damage
  • +1 from skilled saber skill
  • +16 avg from XL 15 rogue backstab
    • +d15 bonus backstab damage, DOUBLED by Grayswandir... yes, rogue backstab is affected by artifact double damage, I checked the source

two-weapon +7 Stormbringer and +7 crysknife

43.5/43 drain, 37.5/37 drain resist:

  • +14 from enchantment
  • +12 from 18/** strength
    • +6 applies for both hits
  • +6 avg from Stormbringer draining effect
    • +d2 Stormbringer bonus damage
    • +d8 bonus draining
  • +5/4.5 avg from Stormbringer base damage
    • 2d4/d6+1 broadsword base damage
  • +5.5 avg from crysknife base damage
  • +0 from expert two-weapon and skilled broadsword
  • +1 from expert two-weapon and expert knife

two-weapon +7 Grayswandir and +7 crysknife

59 silver, 48.5 non-silver:

  • +21 from enchantment
    • +7 twice from Grayswandir
    • +7 from crysknife
  • +12 from 18/** strength
    • +6 applies to both hits
  • +10.5 avg from silver
    • +d20 silver bonus damage
  • +9 avg from Grayswandir base damage
  • +5.5 avg from crysknife base damage
  • +0 from expert two-weapon and skilled saber
  • +1 from expert two-weapon and expert knife

+7 silver daggers (thrown)

75/73.75 silver XL15 backstab, 28.75/27.5 non-silver non-backstab:

  • +17.5 avg from enchantment
    • +7 enchantment x2.5 rogue multishot
  • +26.25 avg from silver
    • +10.5 avg silver damage x2.5 rogue multishot
  • +6.25/5 avg from silver dagger base damage
    • +2.5/2 dagger base damage x2.5 rogue multishot
  • +5 avg from skill
    • +2 expert dagger x2.5 rogue multishot
  • +20 avg from XL 15 backstab
    • +d15 backstab x2.5 rogue multishot
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