Talk:Unwinnable

I tweaked some of the language because I felt like being pedantic. As I understand it, it is not necessary to "complete the quest" at all to win the game--you just have to get the bell from the nemesis, and you don't even have to kill the nemesis to do that. Completing the quest involves getting the quest artifact and returning it to the quest leader, yes? None of which, if my understanding is correct, is necessary for getting the Bell and moving on down the dungeon. In fact, I'm just learning how to do a Barbarian now, and I might just leave that crappy Heart of Ahriman where it lies.--Ckbryant 00:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Importance

Is this page really useful? No game is generated unwinnable because, at the start, most of the game isn't even generated at all. As it only mentions one scenario, it could probably be merged into altar, alignment and/or Quest. 65.110.6.33 01:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I have obtained the Bell of Opening in a few games, but I always die before finding the Candelabrum or Book. From my perspective, the games (that I win not) were not unwinabble. An unwinnable game is apparently an alignment problem, so I would think that someone would merge unwinnable into alignment, if there was a merge. --Kernigh 03:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it also unwinnable if one wears a helm of opposite alignment before the quest (for the same reason)?

Taking off the helmet will restore your alignment back to what it started at. --MadDawg2552 00:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)