User talk:R0twang/Guide

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-- New user message (talk) 20:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Your user page

Um, hi. I just noticed your user page and wanted to know whether you're serious or just trolling. This is a wiki about NetHack and as such, people reading your "guide" will most likely actually want to play NetHack — leaving aside the question whether you might be right or not.

You also seem to be overstating the flaws of NetHack. (While I do think some of the things you listed may indeed be flaws, some people like NetHack for exactly some of the reasons you listed.) So far, that might be fine for a user page, though.

NetHack is still in development; while perhaps not by the original DevTeam, there are multiple actively developed variants. This isn't a myth, and calling it "propaganda" is misinformed at best, a lie and itself propaganda at worst. (Perhaps good faith should be assumed here.)

I am also unsure whether you realize that most people who could be targetted by your "guide" will not read it – it's on your user page, people are unlikely to read that unless they follow the recent changes. Of course, putting it anywhere else wouldn't work anyway as it doesn't go well with a wiki that is about NetHack in a mostly objective way, which NetHackWiki is. Thus, I don't see the point in you putting it here (unless, as I wondered at the top, you're just trolling and created an account just to have a user page to put it on, safely out of the main namespace). I'd like some clarification on that.

(FWIW, part of your "guide" also reads a bit like an advertisement for Dwarf Fortress to me. That might just be because you needed something to compare NetHack to, perhaps.)

A serious question (in case you're not trolling, and actually read this): just why did you register here only to tell people you dislike NetHack and its promoters and they also should?

Another question: are you r0twang on NAO (stats, games, deaths, dumplogs, ttyrecs)? If so, I wonder why you still played today, given your apparent hate of NetHack?

—bcode ^{talk | mail} 22:00, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey bcode, No trolling here. I've been meaning to write a beginner's guide for a long time that doesn't pretend NetHack is the awesomest game ever made, gives fair warning about how painful it can be, and still helps a reader build up a character that has some chance of living. All the other beginner's guides have a sort of blind worship of NetHack and for years I have been wishing someone had given me a little more even-handed layout of the game when I was starting out.

So I am trying to include all the stuff that I wish someone had told me when I first started. #1 being - no shame in reading the spoilers! Just do it! #2 - Dwarf Fortress is way less frustrating and more beautiful and under MUCH more active development. and #3 - here's how to start a game that MIGHT not end up in heartbreaking death (but probably will.) I haven't written #3 yet.

That is indeed me on NAO. My relationship with NetHack is the definition of love/hate. I just minutes ago had a level 12 wizard killed by a gnome with a wand of death on NAO. I had been playing that wizard for 2 weeks. I do intend to end this beginner's guide with a paragraph about why I can't seem to stop playing. Knock the reader down and then stand them back up again - that's the plan.

I put it on my user page specifically because I don't want people reading it yet, since it's unfinished. I was going to work on it from a couple of different locations, so I wanted it to be online. NetHack wiki just seemed like a good place to write it. After I finish, I'll see if anyone wants to post it somewhere where people are more likely to read it. I couldn't figure out a way to call it a "draft" that only I could read on here. If nethackwiki has that functionality, let me know, and I'd be happy to set it to draft while I work on it.

Anyway, I hope you guys don't find it too annoying. This is really my way of taking revenge on a game that has caused me so much heartbreak and wasted so much of my time. But I'm hoping that when it is finished it is clear that it is more funny and useful to a beginner than just an annoying diatribe against NetHack.

--R0twang (talk) 01:42, 9 December 2012 (UTC)