Talk:Dogley Dimension

Quoth the article:

• Dogley reached the Dogley Dimension by level-teleporting to level 4.5 in wizard mode. Then why did Dogley not immediately fall to level 5, as all other monsters seem to do?

Should be obvious. He's in Wizard mode. Monsters aren't. --71.225.64.232 18:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Quoth the article:

• Why are we naming this after Dogley anyway, if the Wizard of Yendor already knew of this dimension?

Should be obvious: its the same reason that they're called America instead of Columbusland or whatever. The Wizard may have discovered the Dogley Dimension, but Dogley was the one who made it famous, much the same as the fact that despite Columbus beiong the one who discovered the existance of America, but Amerigo Vespuci made them famous to the king of england, so the king named them after Amerigo instead of Columbus.

Columbus did not discover America. You can't discover a continent that already has people living there. --MadDawg2552 20:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Says who? I just discovered a new land across the eastern ocean from America, and of course there were native people there. In their own strange language, they seem to be called Oiresh, but I have chosen to call them the East Chinese to avoid confusion. The natives attempted to resist my claim to their lands, but as they are primitives who don't even have atomic bombs, much less modern weaponry like thermonuclear MIRVs, that can scarcely be countenanced as meaningful. The larger problem is that of the counter-claims by other civilized nations—in particular, the Queen of Canada claims that she owns at least the northern part of my new lands—but I'm sure a few decades of piracy will chase them off their claim, as is the usual practice.

More importantly, unless you think Amerigo Vespucci was a native (hint: Italy is generally considered part of Europe, not North America), your point doesn't actually contradict anything. --173.228.85.127 01:31, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

This article

This article is longer than almost the entire coverage of Dudley's dungeon on the wiki prior to me poking around recently, save for maybe Cherry - and ²⁄₃ of the article is devoted to theory crafting about what seems at a glance to be a one-off joke. I genuinely feel this is better folded into the main webcomic page, but I'm also not inclined to completely jettison the theorizing - what should be done with all this? --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 10:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

The article is in the Dudley's Dungeon category. In the very first sentence it mentions its origin in Dudley's Dungeon. If it's longer than the main webcomic page, that's just a sign the main page is too short. The Hole article also has an old TODO asking to reference the Dogley Dimension - maybe it is a theory that makes the game mechanics more understandable and immersive. So in short, I think the Dogley Dimension deserves its own article.

The more interesting question is what to do about the theory-crafting. It is practically NetHack fanfiction, no more appropriate to the wiki than somebody's YAAP or YANI. Of course, deleting somebody's YAAP from the wiki would also be a harsh move. It would be more appropriate for it to be in another namespace such as: a user's namespace, a talk page, or the forum/watercooler. --Aximili (talk) 05:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I’ve changed my mind. The canon info on the Dogley dimension should be folded into the Dudley’s dungeon page. There should still be links and mention of the Dogley dimension from articles like Hole and Trapdoor because the Dogley dimension is a nice way to imagine how these traps work. Fan theories should be in another namespace. Ideally there could be a namespace for fan theories about nethack, not just Dudley’s dungeon. Alternatively there could be a fan theory section in the Dudley’s dungeon article. —Aximili (talk) 09:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)