NetHackWiki talk:Redirects

This is a great idea. I had no idea how to do this before. I'm learning so much!!!Shmoo 02:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice for there to be a list of messages in which there are no redirects/not fully redirected. --ASnail (talk) 09:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[[User:ASnail] 17:48, 17/10/2013

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Can you clarify? --Tjr (talk) 19:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Message redirects

Since some of them have been deleted previously with the rationale that we don't need redirects for every single message in the game, and others are in the process of being established, I figured it would be worth hashing out a more formal "limit" or "boundary" on which message redirects are and aren't necessary, so that we can update the Current Projects page (which... hasn't been touched in a decade) to reflect it accordingly. --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Problem 1. The front page has several articles "How to help", "Current projects", no one is maintaining them. So this is good, now we are talking and may get a proposal and some consensus here, about changing one section of "Current projects". That's good. My goal is for those pages to describe work that the community actually wants to happen.

Problem 2. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Zuzak/Messages is dumping hundreds of redlinks into WantedPages. That makes it difficult for people to take WantedPages seriously, and psychologically gives them permission to keep submitting redlinks forever. (I'm not going for zero redlinks, my first goal is 1000 redlinks. We currently have about 5600 redlinks.)

When I first saw Zuzak/Messages it gave me a hairball. Then I realized if I add redirects, as requested by the official current projects page linked from the home page, I could work on Problem 2. And then I remembered that Door has a huge number of messages and they are accurate for NetHack 3.6.7.

I would not mind if someone changed "Current projects". In fact a total rewrite would be good. Furey (talk) 01:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I really don't put much stock in the whole "psychology" thing in this very specific regard, but sure. The Projects page needs a rewrite at minimum, and ideally we can maybe get a hold of Zuzak as well as some "formal" input from Phol ende wodan (who provided the above rationale) while this is still up for discussion - which it's gonna be for a while, but it's still relatively "fresh" right now). --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 01:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

As I said on #nethackwiki, I will abide by the official policy, whatever it is. You might want to edit Current Projects, as an admin, and say that this project is suspended pending discussion. Or you could leave it as is, it would be nice to get more message redirects and fix more redlinks while planning the new policy. Furey (talk) 01:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposal: no mandate, but let editors add messages and redirects whenever they think it will be useful.

Just remove this page from the list at NetHackWiki:Current projects. Then rewrite this page. The new policy will be:

• editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack. However we do not have a project goal of complete message coverage.

If you want, move the former goal of complete message coverage into a "History" section.

So no one will mandated to add 50 messages to Door (as I was).

And, to be clear, "whenever they think it will be useful" includes editors fixing redlinks from Zuzak/Messages. Because fixing redlinks is useful in its own right, and we have no current policy that enables me to edit Zuzak/Messages.

Thoughts and votes?

Furey (talk) 21:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Wouldn't mind this on a personal basis, but wanna see what other input there is. --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

No input, so I'll forward with this momentarily - want to make clear that Current Projects isn't a strict "mandate" where the wiki is concerned, in the sense that you and other editors are always free to question the necessity or scope of a given project, and conversely you and others are always free to suggest other projects that you believe to be vital but are not listed. --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 10:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

How about this part of my proposal: "editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack. However we do not have a project goal of complete message coverage." I proposed adding these words to this page (NetHack:Redirects), it's been six days, no opposition. Can I change this page now? Furey (talk) 11:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll take care of that, don't worry. --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 11:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)