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Main Page now has inputboxes, HTML, CSS

I recently redesigned the main page. There are now inputboxes to create and search NetHackWiki articles. Everything is formatted into a table, but because I used so much HTML and CSS, the main page might now be difficult for less-advanced users to edit.

Wikicities:Help:Inputbox has information about the "create" and "search" inputboxes, in case you are trying to work on those. MetaWikipedia:Help:Table documents the table syntax. I use http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21 to find CSS for the "style" attributes of HTML tags.

Try contacting me at User talk:Kernigh if you have trouble editing the main page. --Kernigh 04:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for aid

Hi, I'm Vercalos over at the DnD Wiki, and I was wondering if someone here could write up an article on Nethack, and its connections with Dungeons and Dragons--75.3.252.2 07:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The links between NetHack and D&D are very deep, so it's not simply a matter of listing them. I've never played D&D myself, but from what I understand, it is NetHack's primary source, in terms of both mythology and gameplay. Of course we like to downplay that to avoid the wrath of D&D's current copyright-wielders :) --Jayt 22:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Protect?

I think the front page should be protected - it gets vandalized a lot and protecting it will be consistent with other wikis. Lotte 20:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It isn't being vandalised all that much. If you're worried about it, you can set your preferences to email you when pages you watch are changed. See Wikia:Help:Main Page and Wikia:Protection for reasons to not protect it. Angela (talk) 05:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur; IIRC it's only been vandalized two or three times in the last couple of months, which is a very small price to pay to have it remain publicly editable. --Jayt 10:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I protected the page from unregistered users. All registered users can still edit it, so I don't think we are losing anything? --ZeroOne 15:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Kernigh writes: Some MediaWiki communities popularily claim that newly registered users must wait for four days to be "autoconfirmed" before they do certain things, which might include the editing of pages protected against unregistered users and the uploading of replacements for existing files. This does not seem to be documented anywhere. However in fact I have just now registered an account called "Kernigh sockpuppet" but was unable to edit the Main Page here.

Meanwhile, I should mention that protection of the Main Page would not be "consistent with other wikis" because other wikis are not consistent. For example, http://wiki.t-o-m-e.net/FrontPage is a protected "immutable page" but Meatball:MeatballWiki is not.

Unregistered or new users who try to edit the Main Page will see a link to NetHackWiki:Protected page, so I now create that page. --Kernigh 22:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

News

I added a news section, editable through Template:News. Things of interest that could be news:

• New releases and ports
• New 3rd party tools
• New public servers
• New NetHack articles in the media
• Interesting DevTeam comments
• Major new NetHack websites
• Majorly notable ascensions
• NetHackWiki milestones (1000 articles, 1,000,000 articles :-) )
• Probably more...

I would support letting the news section slowly expand until it occupies the whole right column, pushing out the article creation and search boxes (the first is becoming less useful as more articles are created, and the second is redundant anyway). --Jayt 16:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Featured article?

Should we begin having a featured article every $TIME_INTERVAL (probably month)? A lot of the other Wikias (even some with far less popularity than this one) have featured articles. As for where to put it, I'd right-justify the monster block and put the featured article to the left of it (my stab at it). I recommend Dig for victory and Mjollnir as possible features. --Eidolos 03:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Kernigh writes: Yes, I think that featuring an article would much improve the Main Page! I do not like having it left of the monster block, because my usual browser windows seem not wide enough; in User:Eidolos/Main Page the featured article was jammed into a tall, narrow column. Also, I think that the featured article should be higher up, to attract those bored readers who know not where to start on a wiki as large as this. Thus User:Kernigh/Main Page is my attempt; I invite anyone to edit it. --Kernigh 03:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

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moved from NetHackWiki:Community Portal

From User:Kernigh/Main_Page, I've created User:Jayt/Sandbox/Main_Page, which is one possible idea. The CSS is a bit sloppy - too much space is wasted on borders and margins - and I haven't spent any time on the colours. I think this design could work quite well; how does it look on a 1024x768 screen? And are the abbreviated role names a bit jargony? --Jayt 13:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is cut after the fourth line of the Mjollnir-text ("...lightning damage."). The roles could be expanded and divided to two rows; there's plenty of space for that as the header "Roles" and its "[edit]" link are on two different rows... But I don't know if that really matters. I just happen to like the current main page. --ZeroOne 14:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

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Screenshot of User:Jayt/Sandbox/Main Page

Same, but with User:Kernigh sockpuppet/monobook.js

Kernigh writes: Here is how Jayt's design appeared upon my Macintosh. My usual Firefox windows seem to be 932x586 pixels. (Yesterday I was using Konqueror upon OpenBSD.) I wanted the featured article to be higher up, so I took a second screenshot after running a JavaScript based on the one that I programmed for http://oberin.wikia.com.

I have not tried it, but possibly the black "Hello, welcome to NetHackWiki!" thing might be made smaller by reducing margins or padding somehow. --Kernigh 02:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I've made several CSS tweaks that tighten up the layout: User:Jayt/Sandbox/Main Page. Again, the colours could use some attention from a fresh pair of eyes. I think this new revision is good: title, introduction, Roles, Items, Feature and News are all immediately apparent, even on a 1024x768 screen (that's apparent, not fully visible - it's enough that someone notices there is more, and then scrolls down). I've also created {{currentfeature}} for easy editing of the featured article. --Jayt 16:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Barring complaints, I will make User:Jayt/Sandbox/Main_Page the new main page on September 1st, so Mjollnir can have a full month in the limelight. --Jayt 23:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I really don't like how everything's broken up. :( I'd vastly prefer User:Eidolos/Main_Page only with those nice colored boxes. My CSS-fu is lacking. --Eidolos 00:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

How about now? All the links are together. More is visible on a 1024x768 screen than I realised. --Jayt 13:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm.. it's certainly better. I'll approve. Though I still prefer template:overview, I figure I'm going to have to compromise. :) --Eidolos 16:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Headline suppressing javascript

To go with the shiny new Main Page, I think I will add this javascript to the main monobook.js file. It does the same as Kernigh's script above - buys us some extra space by suppressing the heading on the Main Page. Please let me know if there are any problems. --Jayt 23:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Monster ordering / colours

For those that haven't noticed, I've reordered the monsters on the main page to put monsters internally referred to as black at the head of their glyph range and adjusted them to use {{black}}. Disagreements about the colour to be used for the template should be directed there, but if there are any comments as to what the ordering of the monsters on the main page should be I'm open to them. (I for one would be open to putting them in internal order.) -- SGrunt 19:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Unicorns should be together. --Paxed 19:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Colours

Whoa! Why did all the colours suddenly change from good to eye-hurting? Just look at the monster box on the main page. Red monsters should NOT be a shade of orange. --Someone Else 21:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Pokemonman decided to go screw up the colour templates for some reason. I have no idea why. I've reverted the affected ones. -- Killian 02:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

No Stair Down

I need help. I am a noob and on first level cannot find a stair down. I have tried moving from every square, pushing bolders, over, etc. I have searched this site for help or suggestions. It would be great if this site could have a page to reslove this problem.

Seems to me some newbie-friendly links like NetHackWiki:Ask_an_expert, Strategy, or Standard strategy would be good to put on the front page. Also, there seems to be a general lack of articles written especially for beginners. --Mogri 00:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Consult the help file, and look for stairs. The stairs down look like this '>' the staris up look like '<'. You stand on the top of the stairs '>' and press the '>' key. You will be in a new room on the next level, and after you move off the space you were on, it will look like '<' and you can go up the stairs by standing on the '<' and pressing the '<' key. Be carefull about leaving your pet behind. He may become hostile.

Article of the month

It's January now, isn't it? --Mogri 19:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and now it's February. Fredil Yupigo 20:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It's June now, you know 24.218.240.32 01:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This section has its uses =P Fredil Yupigo 16:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It's April. At the time of writing. --Uncreative Username 20:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

New @ Play Out

Released June 27... just thought you might want to update. http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2007/06/_play_architecture_of_the_myst.php -- kidko 20:41, 30 June 2007(EST)

Wikia Blogs

This wiki is included in our new Wikia Blogs feature. To get involved, just add snippets of this wiki's best articles to MediaWiki:Blog snippet each day and that content will appear on the Wikia Gaming Blog. Please see Wiki to blog for an introduction and Wikia Blogs for a list of wikis involved in this. Angela ^talk 15:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

More stuff about SLASH'EM

Recently started playing this, and there really isn't nearly enough guides and stuff about the game. Even this site is severely lacking, and I think this should be fixed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.246.11 (talk • contribs)

It's true that this wiki focuses mainly on vanilla NetHack, but prominent variants are on-topic as well. If you note something in gameplay that's different, go ahead and write it up. Or grab a copy of the source code, if you know how to read it. As they say at Wikipedia: be bold!--Ray Chason 14:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

What I mean to say with this is: This wiki is built by players who love the game. None of the core developers of either NetHack or SLASH'EM has any known presence here. This wiki is only as good as its editors, of which you can be one.--Ray Chason 15:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

gnu fdl is over every page now, could it be removed from the template for the background?

i'm not sure how to edit it so it's not shown on every page (in he wrong spot) if it is supposed to be on every page edit it so it's actually on the bottom— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.155.125 (talk • contribs)

There's an outstanding problem report on this, but I don't see it, either in Firefox or Explorer. What browser are you using? Perhaps a screenshot might be in order. From checking with Wikia Central, it seems that there's been a software upgrade. That might have something to do with it.--Ray Chason 01:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

i see it over the front page now... how does one upload a picture to wikipedia?(can't see the text i'm typing right nonw)

"wikia"— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.155.125 (talk • contribs)

Over on the left, under the search box, you should find the "Upload file" link. Or just follow this link. Try to link the image from here if you can (see any page with a picture on it for an example), or just wait until someone sees the upload in the recent changes.--Ray Chason 20:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I asked on IRC, they said it is a known issue if you are using IE6. Doesn't happen in firefox or IE7. It would be nice to use one that doesn't 'hover' and instead is just at the very bottom of the web page. Most of the other wikias I checked out (excepting the Dr. Who one) use a less problematic banner for the copyright stuff.

Monaco skin

Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

We are switching over all the default skins (for anon users) to our new skin "Monaco" this week. Most of the big wikis have already switched (i.e WoWWiki, Wookieepedia Dofus and FFXIclopedia.

It is now the main actively developed Wikia platform. As a successor to Quartz, it comes with even more customizability - you can find out more on w:c:inside:Monaco Skin Customization, where you can also find out info about the new features and widgets available. I have taken the liberty of already creating your MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar, but you can customize it much further with more links.

An admin can set the default site skin via the skin section on Special:Preferences, or by editing MediaWiki:AdminSkin. If users wish to see another skin than the default, they can untick "See custom wiki skins (recommended)" on the same page.

We really want wikis to move on to Monaco partly because it's more awesome than Quartz and Monobook and partly as it is where the bulk of our resources are currently aimed :) Please report any problems or questions with Monaco here

Thanks for listening! Kirkburn (talk) 15:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Note that as NetHackWiki did not previously have a skin set, I have set it to monaco-slate. If there are major objections to the change, it is okay to change it back, but you must be forewarned that Monaco is "Wikia's default skin", and you may miss out on future developments. My apologies for being hasty with the change. Kirkburn (talk) 18:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Opera doesn't like you

I'm running Opera 9.50 Beta 2 on 64-bit Ubuntu and every time I try to open the NetHackWiki main page or some other pages here (they all don't do it) it crashes without any messages. Not a big surprise since it reads Beta on its name, but it would be nice to know if anyone else has the same problem? --212.149.219.250 17:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Gary Gygax Xagygge

4th March 2008 - Gary Gygax, father of the Fantasy RPG died. Talk of an honorary Xagygge (similar to Izchak) character for Nethack begins.

From the news selection. Who discovered this?

NetHackWiki main page disappeared

I just logged in and changed to Wikipedia's MonoBook style, and now the main page is gone! I get this instead:

Main Page From NetHackWiki Jump to: navigation, search

Oops! NetHackWiki does not have a page with this exact name.

   * Click here to start this page or here to search for this phrase on the wiki.
   * If a page previously existed at this exact title, please check the deletion log.

What happened? Nate879 20:49, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I clicked "edit this page", and saved it, and now it's back! WTH? Nate879 20:49, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Automated transfer of Problem Report #21986

The following message was left by Anonymous via PR #21986 on 2009-05-10 08:29:48 UTC

How about publish translate pf topics? We can translate fo russian.

"Wikia" skin replacing Monaco

I can ignore that new skin looks terrible and throws menu on right side without reason, but making it less friendly for bigger screens (like 1440x900) is just plain stupid. <grumbling>Firstly that terrible vector skin on normal wiki, now here... Grrr</grumbling> -- 213.134.175.225 07:25, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Please got to the staff blog and complain. If enough different people do so, they might eventually listen. There isn't much that we can change locally. Paxed has already clawed back a lot of wasted screen real estate. Tjr 16:16, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

This new skin is called "Oasis"... and we can't change the layout from fixed-width, or hide the Wikia rail on top; their new terms prevent it, among other stuff. I'm not even sure the changes I did to the right bar (with "photos" and so on) is allowed. --62.240.71.4 09:33, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

That preceding comment was me. --paxed 09:36, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

For now anyway, try changing your skin back to the old one. Casmith 14:38, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please see NetHackWiki:Community_Portal#New_.22Wikia.22_aka_.22Oasis.22_skin:_Problems.2C_legal_restrictions.2C_and_tweaks. Tjr 22:22, October 28, 2010 (UTC)