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** I tried adding help as an interwiki prefix, but that didn't work.
 
** I tried adding help as an interwiki prefix, but that didn't work.
 
*** That's because it's one of the standard local namespaces.  Anyway, see [[mw:Project:PD help/Copying]].  --[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] 21:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 
*** That's because it's one of the standard local namespaces.  Anyway, see [[mw:Project:PD help/Copying]].  --[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] 21:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Autoconfirmed We have semi-protected pages which can be edited only by autoconfirmed users.
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* <s>http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Autoconfirmed We have semi-protected pages which can be edited only by autoconfirmed users.
 
** You don't need that extension to autoconfirm users, it's a core MediaWiki feature; see [[mw:Manual:User rights#List of Groups]].  --[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] 21:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 
** You don't need that extension to autoconfirm users, it's a core MediaWiki feature; see [[mw:Manual:User rights#List of Groups]].  --[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] 21:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 
* Interwiki links to other wikia wikis look broken, but actually do work. Example: [[w:c:gta:Special:RecentChanges]].
 
* Interwiki links to other wikia wikis look broken, but actually do work. Example: [[w:c:gta:Special:RecentChanges]].
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** That looks like a normal interwiki link to me.  --[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] 21:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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** That looks like a normal interwiki link to me.  --[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] 21:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)</s>
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*Could we please have http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RandomInclude ? I'd like to add random, unobtrusive links to other wikis leaving Wikia. [http://awa.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance/linkdatabase#Linking_support ].
  
 
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Watchlists missing on new wiki

If you just came here from Wikia, you may have noticed that your watchlist is empty. Apparently, the MediaWikiAuth extension doesn't import it automatically. However, you can fix the problem easily:

  1. Go to Special:Watchlist/raw at Wikia. If you're logged in, you should see a textbox listing the contents of your watchlist on the old wiki. Select it all and copy it to your clipboard.
  2. Go to the corresponding page on the new wiki and paste in what you just copied. Then click "Update watchlist".

Happy hacking! --Ilmari Karonen 01:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

PS. It looks like user preferences don't get imported either, even though the documentation says they should be. Alas, I know of no such easy shortcut to fixing that. --Ilmari Karonen 01:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Logo suggestion by Ilmari Karonen

Since we're no longer at Wikia, the current logo (which spells "wiki@") seems a bit inappropriate. We should pick a new one. To kick things off, here's my quick suggestion based on the old idea (monsters spelling out the name of the site). There's also an SVG version, although the SVG renderer here makes an awful mess of it. --Ilmari Karonen 02:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking good! :) Could be a bit less rainbow'ish, though, but that's just my opinion. —ZeroOne (talk / @) 09:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it's pretty much perfect. Looks like happy and colourful and ... oh my god they're tearing me apart, help help! --paxed 10:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Problems on this Wiki

There are still some problems that I need to fix:

  • SVG renderer (See eg. Nethackwiki-logo.svg). I know nothing about this, so need to take a look how to fix it.
    • See mw:Manual:Image Administration#SVG. Basically you need to pick a renderer, install it and set $wgSVGConverter. As for the renderers, rsvg is fast but not very good, though still much better than ImageMagick. It's what Wikipedia uses. Inkscape is better, but note the home directory issue. --Ilmari Karonen 07:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
      • It's now rsvg. Still looking pretty fugly... --paxed 14:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Forums (eg. Forum:Watercooler) require an extension or two. I'll install the extension(s) later today.
    • CreateBox-extension installed, and it seems to work. DPLforum-extension doesn't work? --paxed 11:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  • User watchlists, emails, etc. settings are not imported from Wikia. This is hard, so not worth the effort, most likely.
    • See partial workaround above. --Ilmari Karonen 07:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Editing: Cannot move the javascript color glyph insert box.
  • Show/hide javascript doesn't work: importScriptPage('ShowHide/code.js', 'dev'); in MediaWiki:Common.js


Please add any problems you notice to here. --paxed 07:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  • We've got a bunch of missing templates that should be imported. --Ilmari Karonen 08:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • The license selector on Special:Upload (which comes from MediaWiki:Licenses IIRC) is empty. Should put some actual licensing options there. --Ilmari Karonen 08:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I added some, based on MediaWiki and Wikia ones. --paxed 16:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Which reminds me, NetHackWiki:Copyrights is outdated. I assume we got relicensed to CC-BY-SA-3.0 along with the rest of Wikia, but the page still says we're GFDL. --Ilmari Karonen 08:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • There's a minor annoyance at Special:Preferences: you are listed as belonging to a group called "wikian". That's clearly not appropriate as we are not in Wikia anymore. —ZeroOne (talk / @) 09:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
    • If it tracks users with pre-move accounts, how about calling it "converted wikians"?
      • Good idea. That's how it's shown now. --Ilmari Karonen 11:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

  • I'm not seeing the Edit Tools show up under the edit window; is that my settings, or site-configuration setting? --MidnightLightning 19:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
    • It should show up now, needed to do ?action=purge on it. --paxed 19:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll add my scoop of todos:

  • examine all outgoing [url ]-style links
    • change [http://nethackwiki/wiki/ to [[
  • Fix all occurences of wikihack etc, including in the interface text
    • The edit tools still show Wikihack-specific templates, Color symbols etc.
      • That the "Color symbols" functions happen to be named with "WikiHack" prefix does not matter functionally at all. --paxed 20:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
    • wikia needs to be audited for, e.g. with Special:ReplaceText.

  • Capitalization: NetHackWiki
    • MediaWiki has a {{SITENAME}} keyword that automatically expands to the official wiki name (currently NetHackWiki). --Ilmari Karonen 01:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I overwrote a lot of interface text still on the old wiki because only staff could set SITENAME.Tjr 01:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

* collapse multiple edits to the same page on RecentChanges

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/NetHack, http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/NetHack, http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=nethack&fulltext=0, http://archive.gamespy.com/legacy/halloffame/nethack_a.shtm, http://adom.wikia.com/wiki/Links
  • Wikipedia should link to us, including all languages, all cite notes unrelated pages etc.
    • Only Russian Wikipedia still needs to be updated.
    • We could even ask to be added to the Wikimedia interwiki map. --Ilmari Karonen 11:46, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • traffic monitoring here
  • Where should my list of (corrected) incoming links go? Perferrably on the wiki, out of sight of Wikia.
    • Sounds like a contradiction in terms; kind of hard to keep anything hidden on a public wiki. (I suppose you could install one of the extensions that try to implement read restrictions, or maybe put the list on a page and delete it. But both are pretty klugey solutions.) Are you worried they'd try to revert you? --Ilmari Karonen 08:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes. A page only admins can see would be perfect.Tjr 14:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Not related to the move AFAIK, but it seems the dat/*.des files are missing from the Source: namespace. --Ilmari Karonen 08:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Makedefs and the unix/, windowport subdirs are also missing. Users will not be able to find main().Tjr 14:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

On the old wiki:

  • poll on the old wiki: why aren't you at the new site?
  • traffic monitoring on the old site: people how do come, from where and why?

Move announcements at various places

Done: rgrn and most nethack forums.

Done: LiveJournal NetHack community. --paxed 16:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Most places in [3] still need announcement postings:

Adom Forum: http://www.adom.de/forums/ Angband forum: http://angband.oook.cz/forum/ Dwarf Fortress forum: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/ Kingdom of Loathing forum: http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/ Temple of Roguelikes: http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/ dplusplus's blog: http://d.hatena.ne.jp/dplusplus/

BSDForen.de Forum: http://www.bsdforen.de/

Done: FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/ (The NetHack Rules! -group with 860+ members)

I'm growing a bit wary of administrivia. Feel free to beat me to the task.Tjr 15:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Unified login (in the remote future)

Each of several major NetHack sites has its own user namespace (this wiki, the old wiki, NAO, freenode, NAO forums, other gameservers). In a long term perspective, some form of unified login would be great. Users would benefit from less signup hassle (and less chance of impersonation). For the wiki, it's a great marketing ploy. Especially as we're competing against ourselves at Wikia. Silly as it seems, each signup act drives away visitors.

I realize this is pie-in-the-sky right now, and we have more pressing chores due to The Move.

Colliding usernames will make unified login difficult. We could let Wikiuser play as w:Wikiuser, and Naoplayer edit as n:Naoplayer until people can merge their accounts themselves. Freenode requires some thought. As a first step, I propose adding a warning "You are about to create a username that already exists on NAO/the wiki/freenode/... Please consider choosing a different name unless you are the same person."

See also: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login

The CentralAuth extension, which Wikimedia uses, has been designed to address just those username collision issues. (That's why it's so complicated; if starting from scratch, it would be much easier to just share the user table between wikis.) However, it's been designed with the assumption that all the wikis are running on the same server(s). I haven't really looked at the code to see if there might be any way to relax that assumption. --Ilmari Karonen 21:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah, scratch that, I misread what the issue was. Still, looking at how CentralAuth handles username conflicts might be useful. --Ilmari Karonen 21:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Announcing edits on IRC?

MediaWiki can be set up to report edits on IRC. It would be kind of nice to have Rodney announce whenever someone edits the wiki, although some checks would probably have to be set up to avoid flooding the channel if someone makes lots of edits in a short time. (Just having it not report edits marked as minor might be a good start.) --Ilmari Karonen 21:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Google and optimization

Google was by far the largest source of traffic to the old site, so our Google ranking is very important. How can we raise it?

  • Original and fresh content. When two sites offer identical content, one of them is downranked as copycat. We need to be different from Wikia, and we should offer Googlebot fresh stuff. Can we please have something like Special:AncientPages, except that it shows only pages that have not been modified since Google spidered it, with (by humans) most visited pages sorted first?
  • Why did our main page see 1722 hits already, but all other articles go virtually unread? The page view counts were much closer on the old wiki. Special:PopularPages, w:c:nethack:Special:Mostvisitedpages. I propose adding a box to our main page that explains briefly what NetHack is, aimed at people stumbling into the wiki.

--Tjr 22:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The special page idea sounds interesting. I suspect one reason for the main page being so far ahead here is that all the move announcements link to it. People get curious, click the link, go "oh, it's just like the old wiki, just a different skin" and leave. Things ought to even out once the idly curious folks are replaced by people actually interested in looking something up. --Ilmari Karonen 22:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
BTW, I think the reason - ranks so high is because MediaWiki uses it as a dummy page name for loading some site JS and CSS code. Although the fact that those hits get counted at all could be considered a bug. (At least, I hope that's it. The other possibility is that there are some broken links somewhere actually sending people to that page.) --Ilmari Karonen 22:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
There are broken links, see above near http://domain/article. Tjr 22:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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