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Watchlists missing on new wiki

If you just came here from Wikia, you may have noticed that your watchlist is empty. Apparently, the MediaWikiAuth extension doesn't import it automatically. However, you can fix the problem easily:

1. Go to Special:Watchlist/raw at Wikia. If you're logged in, you should see a textbox listing the contents of your watchlist on the old wiki. Select it all and copy it to your clipboard.
2. Go to the corresponding page on the new wiki and paste in what you just copied. Then click "Update watchlist".

Happy hacking! --Ilmari Karonen 01:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

PS. It looks like user preferences don't get imported either, even though the documentation says they should be. Alas, I know of no such easy shortcut to fixing that. --Ilmari Karonen 01:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

We need a new logo

Logo suggestion by Ilmari Karonen

Since we're no longer at Wikia, the current logo (which spells "wiki@") seems a bit inappropriate. We should pick a new one. To kick things off, here's my quick suggestion based on the old idea (monsters spelling out the name of the site). There's also an SVG version, although the SVG renderer here makes an awful mess of it. --Ilmari Karonen 02:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking good! :) Could be a bit less rainbow'ish, though, but that's just my opinion. —ZeroOne (talk / @) 09:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I think it's pretty much perfect. Looks like happy and colourful and ... oh my god they're tearing me apart, help help! --paxed 10:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Problems on this Wiki

There are still some problems that I need to fix:

• SVG renderer (See eg. Nethackwiki-logo.svg). I know nothing about this, so need to take a look how to fix it.
  • See mw:Manual:Image Administration#SVG. Basically you need to pick a renderer, install it and set $wgSVGConverter. As for the renderers, rsvg is fast but not very good, though still much better than ImageMagick. It's what Wikipedia uses. Inkscape is better, but note the home directory issue. --Ilmari Karonen 07:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
    • It's now rsvg. Still looking pretty fugly... --paxed 14:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Forums (eg. Forum:Watercooler) require an extension or two. I'll install the extension(s) later today.
  • CreateBox-extension installed, and it seems to work. DPLforum-extension doesn't work? --paxed 11:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• User watchlists, emails, etc. settings are not imported from Wikia. This is hard, so not worth the effort, most likely.
  • See partial workaround above. --Ilmari Karonen 07:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Non-image files did not get moved from Wikia. Need to reupload.
  • Let me know if you need help with this, I should be able to kluge together some scripts to do it. --Ilmari Karonen 07:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
    • There aren't that many of those files, so possible to do it by hand. OTOH, if you have the time to help, I wouldn't say no; this is My First MW Installation, after all... Talk to me on IRC, freenode, channel #nethackwiki --paxed 07:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I just checked, and it seems we had a total of five of these, of which the last one has already been fixed. The others can't be uploaded until their extensions have been added to $wgFileExtensions. --Ilmari Karonen 08:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
        • They're all fixed now. --Ilmari Karonen 08:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
          • Might want to install mw:Extension:PdfHandler so those PDF files can be thumbnailed. --Ilmari Karonen 08:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Template:Nethack-343 and others (eg. in NetHackWiki:Next_version) need to be checked, they were designed for the wikia monaco(?) skin. --paxed 16:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • The styles for such templates should really be put in MediaWiki:Vector.css, MediaWiki:Monobook.css, etc. so they can be tailored to each skin. --Ilmari Karonen 19:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Should be working now (browser cache purging may be required). I also put the templates in Category:Top icon templates for later maintenance. Let me know if I missed any. --Ilmari Karonen 21:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Edit the sidebar, should have links to the wiki forums.
• Javascript source code hilight doesn't work

• Editing: Cannot move the javascript color glyph insert box.
• Show/hide javascript doesn't work: importScriptPage('ShowHide/code.js', 'dev'); in MediaWiki:Common.js

Please add any problems you notice to here. --paxed 07:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• The e-mail this user feature is not enabled, and neither is e-mail notification on talk page changes. I'd suggest setting both $wgEnableUserEmail and $wgEnotifUserTalk true. --Ilmari Karonen 08:23, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually, e-mail notification does seem to be enabled. Not sure why I thought it wasn't. --Ilmari Karonen 11:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• We've got a bunch of missing templates that should be imported. --Ilmari Karonen 08:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• The license selector on Special:Upload (which comes from MediaWiki:Licenses IIRC) is empty. Should put some actual licensing options there. --Ilmari Karonen 08:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • I added some, based on MediaWiki and Wikia ones. --paxed 16:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Which reminds me, NetHackWiki:Copyrights is outdated. I assume we got relicensed to CC-BY-SA-3.0 along with the rest of Wikia, but the page still says we're GFDL. --Ilmari Karonen 08:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• There's a minor annoyance at Special:Preferences: you are listed as belonging to a group called "wikian". That's clearly not appropriate as we are not in Wikia anymore. —ZeroOne (talk / @) 09:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • If it tracks users with pre-move accounts, how about calling it "converted wikians"?
    • Good idea. That's how it's shown now. --Ilmari Karonen 11:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not seeing the Edit Tools show up under the edit window; is that my settings, or site-configuration setting? --MidnightLightning 19:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • It should show up now, needed to do ?action=purge on it. --paxed 19:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll add my scoop of todos:

• examine all outgoing [url ]-style links
• Fix all occurences of wikia, wikihack etc, including in the interface text
• Capitalization: NetHackWiki
  • MediaWiki has a {{SITENAME}} keyword that automatically expands to the official wiki name (currently NetHackWiki). --Ilmari Karonen 01:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I overwrote a lot of interface text still on the old wiki because only staff could set SITENAME.Tjr 01:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• http://domain/title should redirect to http://domain/wiki/title
  • This is actually problematic, and not suggested, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL --paxed 08:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• collapse multiple edits to the same page on RecentChanges
  • This is a personal, not a wiki-wide setting. Go to Special:Preferences -> Recent Changes -> check "Use enhanced recent changes (requires JavaScript)". —ZeroOne (talk / @) 23:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• missing edit button, eg http://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki-1.16.0/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown&action=edit
• autocompletion popup when typing [[ ]]
  • Installed [[1]], but it might need some tweaking... --paxed 10:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• make font larger
• very long backlog of editing work
• create good content for other wikis that links to Nethack. (But I already annoyed the D&D people.)

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/NetHack, http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/NetHack, http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=nethack&fulltext=0, http://archive.gamespy.com/legacy/halloffame/nethack_a.shtm, http://adom.wikia.com/wiki/Links

• Wikipedia should link to us, including all languages, all cite notes unrelated pages etc.
  • Only Russian Wikipedia still needs to be updated.
  • We could even ask to be added to the Wikimedia interwiki map. --Ilmari Karonen 11:46, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• traffic monitoring here
• Where should my list of (corrected) incoming links go? Perferrably on the wiki, out of sight of Wikia.
  • Sounds like a contradiction in terms; kind of hard to keep anything hidden on a public wiki. (I suppose you could install one of the extensions that try to implement read restrictions, or maybe put the list on a page and delete it. But both are pretty klugey solutions.) Are you worried they'd try to revert you? --Ilmari Karonen 08:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes. A page only admins can see would be perfect.Tjr 14:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not related to the move AFAIK, but it seems the dat/*.des files are missing from the Source: namespace. --Ilmari Karonen 08:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • ...aaand fixed. --Ilmari Karonen 09:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Makedefs and the unix/, windowport subdirs are also missing. Users will not be able to find main().Tjr 14:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Welcome bot
  • This is a Wikia-specific extension, and there's no such thing for generic MediaWiki, AFAIK. --paxed 15:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserMessage should work
    • Installed. --paxed 16:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• import wikimedia help, or interwiki-source wholesale
  • I tried adding help as an interwiki prefix, but that didn't work.
• http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Autoconfirmed We have semi-protected pages which can be edited only by autoconfirmed users.

On the old wiki:

• poll on the old wiki: why aren't you at the new site?
• traffic monitoring on the old site: people how do come, from where and why?

Move announcements at various places

Done: rgrn and most nethack forums.

Done: LiveJournal NetHack community. --paxed 16:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Most places in [2] still need announcement postings:

Adom Forum: http://www.adom.de/forums/ Angband forum: http://angband.oook.cz/forum/ Dwarf Fortress forum: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/ Kingdom of Loathing forum: http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/ Temple of Roguelikes: http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/ dplusplus's blog: http://d.hatena.ne.jp/dplusplus/

BSDForen.de Forum: http://www.bsdforen.de/

Done: FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/ (The NetHack Rules! -group with 860+ members)

I'm growing a bit wary of administrivia. Feel free to beat me to the task.Tjr 15:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Unified login (in the remote future)

Each of several major NetHack sites has its own user namespace (this wiki, the old wiki, NAO, freenode, NAO forums, other gameservers). In a long term perspective, some form of unified login would be great. Users would benefit from less signup hassle (and less chance of impersonation). For the wiki, it's a great marketing ploy. Especially as we're competing against ourselves at Wikia. Silly as it seems, each signup act drives away visitors.

I realize this is pie-in-the-sky right now, and we have more pressing chores due to The Move.

Colliding usernames will make unified login difficult. We could let Wikiuser play as w:Wikiuser, and Naoplayer edit as n:Naoplayer until people can merge their accounts themselves. Freenode requires some thought. As a first step, I propose adding a warning "You are about to create a username that already exists on NAO/the wiki/freenode/... Please consider choosing a different name unless you are the same person."

See also: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login