Talk:Gypsy

This is specific to SLASH-EM, right? Could it be marked appropriately?--Ckbryant 15:15, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Good point. Done, though someone who knows SLASH'EM better than I should probably add more, such as a monster template. --Marcmagus 17:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

If you get infinity twice, the gypsy says "I wish I wasn't here!" and disappears. I don't think it teleported, it was a non-teleport level. I'm too shy to edit the wiki. D: --82.6.93.160 14:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Additional stuff

Added some minor stuff to the article. I did not add a strategy section; and gypsies are certainly full of exploitable strategies.

Gypsies can be reversed genocided, have a 100% chance of giving a wish with sufficient time and credit, and it's easy to get large amounts of credit if luck is maximized (and still possible even if not). Thus from a single wish it's possible to get 120 wishes, although you'll lose some overhead to wishing for magic markers for scrolls of genocide and charging (or wishing directly for them, if unidentified and not a high-luck wizard).

"Cheating" at 3 card monte is discussed in this spoiler. There is one thing to add; the spoiler does not mention taking advantage of logarithm rounding. With maximum luck, a bet of 999 credit has a 36/37 chance of resulting in a delta of 0, while a bet of 1000 will always result in a delta of at least 1. Thus, rather than using the freebie on a large bet that is guaranteed to increase "monte luck", it is better to use a bet of 999 which will almost always result in you keeping the freebie. Even if going for large bets, it's usually worthwhile to consider trimming the number down to all-nines (e.g. 9999 credit instead of 12000) to lower the delta by 1.

There is also "Yendorian Tarocchi", an unimplemented game that is mentioned in the source and the in-game gypsy help. I don't know if it should be mentioned in the article though.

Qazmlpok 18:20, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

What's this?

"You have drawn the 18 of trumps (Judgement)." "The vision is hazy." --720 12:44, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

It seems like she was looking for the Quest but couldn't find it (that's what that card is supposed to tell you). Did you by any chance reverse genocide gypsies? I believe they can't spot places below their current dungeon level - I know I've seen the Vlad card fail all the time, with gypsies near the Castle and upper parts of Gehennom. And it fails with the same message; but the only way I can think of to get a gypsy above the Quest level would be reverse genocide, although there might be some weirdness if you somehow skipped that level (hole, trapdoor). -Ion frigate 14:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. 720 14:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Loophole

Reverse genociding gypsies is very, very easy, and using them for wishes - even easier. I think that's really big loophole - with 120 wishes, You can do almost everything what You want. Blessed genocide everything is possible, get army of Solars, just almost everything. I think SLASH'EM version of vanilla DevTeam should do something with it - for examle, limit of wishes from gypsies, value of exinct other than 120 (for examle 3, just like erinyes or 9, like nazguls). What do You think? ——S.K. 22:31, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Meh, if you can drum up the gems/gold to get the 120 wishes out of reverse-genociding gypsies, then wishes probably aren't really that valuable to you any more. Outside of greater golems, you're not going to get enough gems to get more than maybe 10-15 wishes, and if you're running into greater golems, you're probably in Gehennom, by which point gypsies are generally common enough to give you all the wishes you'll need. Even greater golems only add maybe another 30-40 wishes (you can't reverse-genocide them), so outside of some serious farming you're going to run out. Don't forget, you don't get anything back from gypsies by killing them - and don't try, they're *nasty* opponents.

As for the things you've named: blessed geno'ing everything is pretty easy to do with magic markers, which can be made from polypiling (though wishes would admittedly speed things up). You can get an army of Solars by altar scumming as a lawful (if you're not lawful, just convert after the Quest). Basically, 120 wishes isn't that broken - it's less than what you can get from pudding farming in vanilla (it's actually nerfed in SLASH'EM), and by the time you could actually get more than a few wishes through reverse-geno'ing gypsies, you can probably get what you need or want some other way.

As for solutions to this particular problem, there's a very simple one: make gypsies ungenocidable. But as I say, it's hardly necessary.

-Ion frigate 06:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)