User:Phol ende wodan/YANI/IRC archive

This page is an attempt to list YANIs that come up on several NetHack-related IRC channels, so they don't end up ignored and forgotten.

Attribution will be listed whenever possible. I make no claim to any of the ideas on this page; feel free to implement them. Also, feel free to add any other YANIs from IRC to this page.

Retrieving the YANIs

I log the #nethack, #nethack-dev, and #hardfought channels, and perhaps also some variant channels in the future. (If people are discussing YANIs on channels not listed here, let me know!) The logs are searched for strings like "yani", "yet another", and "feature request", with some surrounding context.

YANI list

Idea	Variant(s)	Source
Monks, or anyone skilled in martial arts, can kick weapons out of an enemy's hand		Tarmunora, NeroOneTrueKing
Similar to object properties, a small fraction of wearable items are generated with a "trendy" attribute, which is not hidden from the player. Trendy items have an increased base price and add one charisma when worn.		aosdict
Dragon scales can be enchanted into dragonhide gear that is not scale mail	GruntHack	Demo
The xlogfile shows which turn a conduct was first broken on, rather than compacting all conducts into a bitmask		aosdict
The Watch start with a small amount of gold, and will throw it at a player of the opposite gender while the player is disrobing		Demo, Grasshopper
New artifact dagger "The Barrow-blade of Cardolan": has some flat bonuses, some additional bonuses versus undead, and instakills all W, ghosts, and shades. It is either lawful or unaligned.		aosdict
Engraving with Fire Brand burns the engraving as a wand of fire does.		Tarmunora
New headstone messages: I'll just hit this thing a couple more times, it'll die. I don't need to unburden myself, they're only soldiers, I've been killing soldiers, it'll be fine. Maybe if I press this key a bit harder I'll hit for more damage next time.		Chris, jonadab, Grasshopper
Option to bring up the prompt to type-name an item any time it would normally be prompted, even if the object is already type-named. The example given is that if you price-id an object and then later see a monster use it, you then have the option to add this new information immediately.		aosdict
Reading a blessed scroll of fire allows you to select a spot to center the blast of fire, similar to the selection for a scroll of stinking cloud or the advanced fireball spell. The damage of this scroll is also increased somewhat from what it is now, about four times the current damage, to make it worthwhile to use.		aosdict
Blank spellbooks in flooded libraries generate with the "number of times read" counter full, so they can't be polypiled into readable books.	dNetHack	NeroOneTrueKing
The scroll of remove curse auto-identifies if it removes the curse from one or more objects.		aosdict
Add a high level monster spell "raise dead", which resurrects nearby corpses as hostile monsters.		Grasshopper
When attacking into a pit or falling while fumbling and wielding a pointy weapon, you have a chance to fall on your weapon.		bezaban
New shop type "thrift shop". Contains items priced at a steep discount but which aren't very useful on their own. Examples include negatively enchanted or eroded (not necessarily cursed) weapons and armor, blank scrolls, magical tools with zero or one charges left		aosdict
Whenever a diluted potion of acid would be created (i.e. by wishing or polypiling) it immediately explodes in an alchemic blast.		aosdict
Boots of shock resistance, which have a thick rubber sole to prevent you from being grounded		Grasshopper
Objects thrown at cloaked or hidden monsters pass right through the square as if no monster is on the square. Additionally, small mimics can mimic the floor, looking like nothing in the same way a trapper or lurker above does.		aosdict
Improved alchemy in general and an alchemist role		Demo
Scroll of detect magic shows magic fountains on the level as well as magical items. Fountains discovered this way are then displayed as "magic fountain" when near or farlooked.	GruntHack	aosdict
When the player kills a giant spider with an elven dagger and Sting has not yet been created, the dagger is converted into Sting automatically. Sting is made of rustproof steel, instead of wood. Sting has bonuses versus spiders, in addition to its bonuses against orcs.		aosdict
Green slimes have an engulfing attack that guarantees to start the sliming process.		aosdict
New monster: green cube, which combines the abilities of a green slime and gelatinous cube: both sliming and paralysis.		Grasshopper
Merge the P and b monster classes, on the grounds that puddings and blobs are both classes of amorphous monsters that are sparsely populated. This was followed by a long discussion with several people about monster class rearrangement in NetHack Fourk.		jonadab, Grasshopper, bug_sniper, aosdict, Tarmunora, FIQ
Necromancer patch / necromancer class added to dNetHack, including: creating skeleton armies, binding the undead via rituals similar to the Binder, launching rocks that contain small petrified animals that transform into undead animals, bone chains, encrusting undead minions with different jewels to grant them different powers	dNetHack	introsp3ctive, Demo
Opening a cursed bag of holding does not tell you what has disappeared, or it just says "Things have disappeared from the bag!" without describing them		AmyBSOD
Role whose quest artifact's base item is a helm of opposite alignment. (This is apparently in Slash'EM Extended, but so are probably half the things on this list and I'm not going to bother cross-checking everything.)		jonadab
Conflict affects things in a radius. The ring of conflict is a chargeable item, affecting this radius.		jonadab
Monster status "discord", which causes a monster to be seen as a target and be attacked by other enemies. On the player, discord is the same as wielding Stormbringer. Discord is available through the spellbook of discord.	Fourk	jonadab
Applying a stethoscope tells the target's gender, and the hunger status of pets.		Grasshopper
Easter eggs as an actual item, in addition to monster and chicken eggs.		Grasshopper
The Bell of Opening is carried by your quest leader, who gives it to you when you return to them with the quest artifact. This solves the problem of making a game unwinnable by permanently changing alignment, since you can also get it by killing the quest leader.		jonadab, Grasshopper
Leprechauns steal anything made of gold, in addition to plain gold pieces. (In vanilla, the only gold item is the gold ring, but variants have other gold items.)		FIQ
Demon lord who spellcasts, favoring touch of death and summon nasties. However, the only thing it summons and gates in are incubi and succubi.		aosdict
Rat king monster (not the SLASH'EM unique Rat King), based on the real-life rat king. It is a purple r, not much faster than a rock mole, but has several bite attacks (possibly scaling the amount by monster level). Each bite has a small chance of conferring disease. Its level corresponds to the number of entangled rats, so a slashing attack could sometimes cut off one rat, which then appears on the floor as a new rat, and make the rat king lose a level.		aosdict
Add rumors to FIQHack warning about dragons, which can be fairly dangerous.	FIQHack	rumflump
Allow wishing for non-objects: Time: decreases the turn count a bit Luck: increases Luck by 1 point Intrinsics: gives you any intrinsic (that you can actually get in your normal form. Can't wish for intrinsic reflection, drain resistance, etc. Intrinsics normally only possible by eating jewelry are not decided.) Attributes: increases whichever attribute. Maybe a d4 or d5 increase so it's not inferior to a blessed potion of gain ability. World peace or just Peace: pacifies monsters on the level, subject to normal resistances Polymorph: you polymorph Friends: same effect as a successful cast of create familiar Terrain features: already wishable in wizard mode, the justification is "If the player wants to wish for lava, why not let them have lava?" Happiness: gives you a blessed potion of booze		aosdict, AmyBSOD
More acid resistance sources in FIQHack, to balance yellow dragons' exploding acid breath. Possibly a ring of acid resistance.	FIQHack	ais523, FIQ
Rangers have a role bonus which decreases the overall probability a projectile will break, followed by a discussion about how to rebalance vanilla rangers, who commonly forego bows entirely, not the way they were intended to play.		aosdict
New container trap effect, a loud alarm that wakes nearby monsters. (Exploding chests already wake nearby monsters, but the chance of it happening is miniscule unless your Luck is below -7; this was proposed as one of the common effects even at high Luck.)		aosdict
Asmodeus should wield an artifact called the Ruby Rod.	dNetHack	zombifier
The Platinum Yendorian Express Card is made out of literal platinum instead of plastic.		aosdict
Pets on the Astral Plane always go with you when you ascend, regardless of whether they're adjacent or leashed to you.		AmyBSOD
Flip the blessed and cursed effects of the scroll of create monster, with the argument that if beatitude influences an object's effects at all, blessing should amplify them and cursing should reduce them. However, consistency along these lines conflicts somewhat with the current behavior of objects, which is that blessing generally always gives the player a better effect and cursing gives them a worse one. The create monster scroll is in a weird place because both its blessed and cursed effects could be considered beneficial in different contexts.		aosdict
A blessed scroll of destroy armor should allow the player to select which piece of armor to destroy.		aosdict
Roditaur: new humanoid monster that has an oversized rat's head and four arms. Has a powerful bite attack and four weapon attacks.	SLASH'EM Extended	jonadab
Tins of "pureed monster" or "soup made from monster" do not break foodless conduct. Possibly change tin behavior so the preparation method can be discerned before eating it, or just display the preparation when the tin is opened, e.g. "You succeed in opening the tin. It contains a puree that smells like newts. Eat it?"		aosdict
Add "numeric prefix" as a hallucinatory monster.		ChrisE
You can scare off the Vault guard by telling him your name is one of the demon lords. This has the same effect as if you couldn't say anything, so you're still trapped in the vault after he flees.		aosdict
Add "candelabrum" as a new randomly generated tool. It can hold 3 candles and gives a light radius of 2 with one candle, 3 with two candles, and 4 with three candles. The Candelabrum of Invocation's unidentified description is now "ornate candelabrum".		aosdict
Gehennom should be half as long, 10-12 levels, and should be mostly or all unique levels that are randomly chosen from a larger set		Duam
Oilskin cloaks should be MC3 instead of MC2.		jmr
Wandering hostile priests of Moloch occasionally generate in Gehennom.		aosdict
Dragon eggs can be used as special types of thrown missiles. Black dragon eggs specifically have a disintegration effect.		Wooble
Additions to the list of items that certain monsters might death-drop: Adult female dragons drop eggs (more so than the usual oviparous drop odds) Killer bees occasionally drop lumps of royal jelly		aosdict

YASI list

Some ideas are not intended to be taken seriously. But they might still find some use if listed here.

Silly Idea	Variant	Source
New "farmer" role: starts with seeds and a spade, has other tools available like sickles and scythes.		jonadab
Opening a cursed bag of holding does not destroy the items, but it redistributes them around the level, or perhaps the entire dungeon.		Grasshopper, AmyBSOD
Dropping a ring of polymorph control down a sink, then a ring of polymorph, turns the sink into a regularly erupting geyser.		FIQ
The Mazes of Menace are located on the moon Titan, to mess with day/night and moon phases.		rumflump
Donkeys that carry around the player's loot. If you kick a pet donkey, you get the YAFM "You kick your own ass!"		jonathanhanes, Grasshopper
Playable race that doesn't have teeth and can't eat anything unless polymorphed into something that can.		aosdict
New scroll label CONULATION (apparently it is CONGRATULATIONS minus GRATS?)		aosdict