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+ | This table seems to assume no strength damage bonus (see "table of attribute adjustments" in [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/343/weap-343.txt weap-343.txt], or {{function|weapon.c|dbon}}), i.e. STR between 8 to 15 inclusive. In the late game (which these calculations otherwise seem to be for), most characters should have their stats pretty close to maximized, which improves the damage significantly for most weapons, but crucially, ''not for missiles fired from a launcher'' (i.e. arrows, bolts and sling stones; see {{sourcecode|uhitm.c|892}}). Thus, while e.g. low-strength Rogues can maximize their damage output with poisoned crossbow bolts, a late-game Rogue with 18/** STR is much better off throwing daggers. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] ([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]]) 14:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC) |
Revision as of 14:12, 3 February 2015
I calculated the best weapon to choose, depending on role, race and alignment. I simply show the sheet, with these assumptions:
- Every weapon in this sheet has +7 enchantment, is blessed, and is erodeproof.
- You have max skill.
- You don't want to get blasted by artifact weapons.
- You don't want to get alignment penalty for using poison if you are Lawful.
- About melee weapons sheet, obviously, you don't want to achieve "Never hit with a wielded weapon" conduct. Monks are not an exception.
The sheets
Melee weapons
Role | Alignment | Primary melee weapon | Secondary melee weapon (If you are able to #twoweapon) |
Sidenotes | ||
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In Dungeons of Doom | In Gehenom | In Dungeons of Doom | In Gehenom | |||
Archeologist | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | a katana | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | |
Neutral | the Frost Brand | |||||
Barbarian | (any) | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a katana | ||
Caveman | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
Neutral | the Frost Brand | |||||
Healer | Neutral | the Staff of Aesculapius | ||||
Knight | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | a katana | ||
Monk | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
(other) | the Frost Brand | |||||
Priest | Neutral | the Mjollnir | ||||
Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | |||
Chaotic | the Frost Brand | |||||
Ranger | (any) | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
Rogue | Chaotic | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a crysknife | ||
Samurai | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a katana | ||
Tourist | Neutral | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a crysknife | ||
Valkyrie | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | a katana | ||
Neutral | the Frost Brand | |||||
Wizard | (any) | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing |
Projectiles
Role | Race | Alignment | In Dungeons of Doom | In Gehenom | Sidenotes |
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Archeologist | (any) | Lawful | boomerangs | ||
Neutral | poisoned shurikens | poisoned silver arrows | Use any bow for launcher for arrows. Perhaps want to be unrestricted of one of the projectiles by being crowned. | ||
Barbarian | Human | (any) | poisoned ya | poisoned silver arrows | Use any bow for launcher. |
Orc | Chaotic | poisoned orcish arrows | Use an orcish bow for launcher. | ||
Caveman | (any) | Lawful | ya | silver arrows | Use any bow for launcher. |
Neutral | poisoned ya | poisoned silver arrows | |||
Healer | (any) | Neutral | poisoned darts | ||
Knight | Human | Lawful | crossbow bolts | Use a crossbow for launcher. | |
Monk | Human | Lawful | dwarvish spears | silver spears | |
(other) | poisoned shurikens | ||||
Priest | Elf | Chaotic | poisoned elven arrows | Use an elven bow for launcher. | |
Human | Lawful | dwarvish spears | silver spears | ||
(other) | poisoned shurikens | poisoned silver arrows | Use any bow for launcher for arrows. | ||
Ranger | Elf | Chaotic | poisoned elven arrows | Use an elven bow for launcher. | |
Orc | Chaotic | poisoned orcish arrows | Use an orcish bow for launcher. | ||
(other) | (any) | poisoned ya | poisoned silver arrows | Use any bow for launcher, including the Longbow of Diana. | |
Rogue | (any) | Chaotic | poisoned crossbow bolts | Use a crossbow for launcher. | |
Samurai | Human | Lawful | ya | Use a yumi for launcher. | |
Tourist | Human | Neutral | poisoned darts | ||
Valkyrie | (any) | (any) | silver daggers | ||
Wizard | (any) | (any) | poisoned darts |
--NDos (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Write your opinions here
This table seems to assume no strength damage bonus (see "table of attribute adjustments" in weap-343.txt, or dbon in weapon.c), i.e. STR between 8 to 15 inclusive. In the late game (which these calculations otherwise seem to be for), most characters should have their stats pretty close to maximized, which improves the damage significantly for most weapons, but crucially, not for missiles fired from a launcher (i.e. arrows, bolts and sling stones; see uhitm.c, line 892). Thus, while e.g. low-strength Rogues can maximize their damage output with poisoned crossbow bolts, a late-game Rogue with 18/** STR is much better off throwing daggers. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC)