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* About projectiles table, you have [[strength]] at 25. (probably from [[gauntlets of power]].) | * About projectiles table, you have [[strength]] at 25. (probably from [[gauntlets of power]].) | ||
==The tables== | ==The tables== | ||
| − | ===Melee weapons=== | + | |
| + | ===Melee weapons (without artifacts)=== | ||
| + | {|class="prettytable" | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | !rowspan="2"|[[Role]] | ||
| + | !colspan="2"|Melee weapon | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | !In Dungeons of Doom | ||
| + | !In Gehennom | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Archeologist]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|two [[silver saber]] | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Barbarian]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|two [[trident]]s | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Caveman]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a dwarvish mattock or a [[trident]] | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Healer]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a [[unicorn horn]] or a [[crysknife]] | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Knight]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|two [[katana]]s | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Monk]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a tsurugi or a trident | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Priest]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a tsurugi or a trident | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Ranger]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a tsurugi or a crysknife | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Rogue]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|two crysknives | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Samurai]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|two katanas | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Tourist]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a tsurugi or a crysknife | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Valkyrie]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|two katanas | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | |[[Wizard]] | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a [[battle-axe]] or a crysknife | ||
| + | |} | ||
| + | ===Melee weapons (with artifacts)=== | ||
{|class="prettytable" | {|class="prettytable" | ||
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|rowspan="2"|[[Archeologist]] | |rowspan="2"|[[Archeologist]] | ||
|Lawful | |Lawful | ||
| − | | | + | |colspan="2"|the [[Grayswandir]] |
| − | |the [[Grayswandir]] | + | |rowspan="2" colspan="2"|a [[silver saber]] |
| − | |rowspan="2" colspan="2"|a [[ | ||
|rowspan="2"|Get unrestricted in long sword skill by [[sacrificing]] | |rowspan="2"|Get unrestricted in long sword skill by [[sacrificing]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
|Neutral | |Neutral | ||
| + | |the [[Fire Brand]] | ||
|the [[Frost Brand]] | |the [[Frost Brand]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
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|the Fire Brand | |the Fire Brand | ||
|the Frost Brand | |the Frost Brand | ||
| − | |colspan="2"|a | + | |colspan="2"|a trident |
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|rowspan="3"|[[Priest]] | |rowspan="3"|[[Priest]] | ||
| − | | | + | |Lawful |
| − | | | + | |rowspan="3"|the Fire Brand |
| + | |the Grayswandir | ||
|rowspan="3" colspan="2"| | |rowspan="3" colspan="2"| | ||
| − | | | + | |rowspan="3"|Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing |
|- | |- | ||
| − | | | + | |Neutral |
| − | + | |the [[Mjollnir]] | |
| − | |the | ||
| − | |||
|- | |- | ||
|Chaotic | |Chaotic | ||
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|- | |- | ||
| − | + | |[[Valkyrie]] | |
| − | | | + | |''(any)'' |
| − | + | |the Fire Brand | |
| − | |||
| − | |||
| − | |||
| − | |||
| − | |||
|the Frost Brand | |the Frost Brand | ||
| + | |colspan="2"|a katana | ||
| + | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
|[[Wizard]] | |[[Wizard]] | ||
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|} | |} | ||
| − | ===Projectiles=== | + | ===Projectiles (not updated)=== |
{|class="prettytable" | {|class="prettytable" | ||
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--[[User:NDos|NDos]] ([[User talk:NDos|talk]]) 01:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC) | --[[User:NDos|NDos]] ([[User talk:NDos|talk]]) 01:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| + | Updated as of version 3.6.2. --[[User:NDos|NDos]] ([[User talk:NDos|talk]]) 02:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC) | ||
==Write your opinions here== | ==Write your opinions here== | ||
Revision as of 02:04, 20 August 2019
I calculated the best weapon to choose, depending on role, race and alignment. I simply show the table, with these assumptions:
- Every weapon in this sheet has +7 enchantment, is blessed, and is erodeproof.
- You have max skill.
- You don't want to get blasted by artifact weapons.
- You don't want to get alignment penalty for using poison if you are Lawful.
- About melee weapons table, obviously, you don't want to achieve "Never hit with a wielded weapon" conduct. Monks are not an exception.
- About projectiles table, you have strength at 25. (probably from gauntlets of power.)
Contents
The tables
Melee weapons (without artifacts)
| Role | Melee weapon | |
|---|---|---|
| In Dungeons of Doom | In Gehennom | |
| Archeologist | two silver saber | |
| Barbarian | two tridents | |
| Caveman | a dwarvish mattock or a trident | |
| Healer | a unicorn horn or a crysknife | |
| Knight | two katanas | |
| Monk | a tsurugi or a trident | |
| Priest | a tsurugi or a trident | |
| Ranger | a tsurugi or a crysknife | |
| Rogue | two crysknives | |
| Samurai | two katanas | |
| Tourist | a tsurugi or a crysknife | |
| Valkyrie | two katanas | |
| Wizard | a battle-axe or a crysknife | |
Melee weapons (with artifacts)
| Role | Alignment | Primary melee weapon | Secondary melee weapon (If you are able to #twoweapon) |
Sidenotes | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| In Dungeons of Doom | In Gehenom | In Dungeons of Doom | In Gehenom | |||
| Archeologist | Lawful | the Grayswandir | a silver saber | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
| Neutral | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | ||||
| Barbarian | (any) | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a trident | ||
| Caveman | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
| Neutral | the Frost Brand | |||||
| Healer | Neutral | the Staff of Aesculapius | ||||
| Knight | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | a katana | ||
| Monk | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
| (other) | the Frost Brand | |||||
| Priest | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Grayswandir | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
| Neutral | the Mjollnir | |||||
| Chaotic | the Frost Brand | |||||
| Ranger | (any) | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
| Rogue | Chaotic | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a crysknife | ||
| Samurai | Lawful | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a katana | ||
| Tourist | Neutral | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a crysknife | ||
| Valkyrie | (any) | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | a katana | ||
| Wizard | (any) | the Fire Brand | the Frost Brand | Get unrestricted in long sword skill by sacrificing | ||
Projectiles (not updated)
| Role | Race | Alignment | In Dungeons of Doom | In Gehenom | Sidenotes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Archeologist | (any) | Lawful | boomerangs | ||
| Neutral | poisoned shurikens | Perhaps want to be unrestricted of shuriken by crowning. | |||
| Barbarian | Human | (any) | poisoned shurikens | Perhaps want to be unrestricted of shuriken by crowning. | |
| Orc | Chaotic | poisoned orcish arrows | Use an orcish bow for launcher. | ||
| Caveman | (any) | Lawful | boomerangs | ||
| Neutral | poisoned ya | poisoned silver arrows | Use any bow for launcher. | ||
| Healer | (any) | Neutral | poisoned darts | ||
| Knight | Human | Lawful | dwarvish spears | silver spears | |
| Monk | Human | Lawful | dwarvish spears | silver spears | |
| (other) | poisoned shurikens | ||||
| Priest | Elf | Chaotic | poisoned elven arrows | Use an elven bow for launcher. | |
| Human | Lawful | dwarvish spears | silver spears | ||
| (other) | poisoned shurikens | ||||
| Ranger | Elf | Chaotic | poisoned elven arrows | Use an elven bow for launcher. | |
| Orc | Chaotic | poisoned orcish arrows | poisoned darts | Use an orcish bow for launcher. | |
| (other) | (any) | poisoned darts | |||
| Rogue | (any) | Chaotic | poisoned darts | ||
| Samurai | Human | Lawful | shurikens | ||
| Tourist | Human | Neutral | poisoned darts | ||
| Valkyrie | (any) | (any) | silver daggers | ||
| Wizard | (any) | (any) | poisoned darts | ||
--NDos (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Updated as of version 3.6.2. --NDos (talk) 02:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Write your opinions here
This table seems to assume no strength damage bonus (see "table of attribute adjustments" in weap-343.txt, or dbon in weapon.c), i.e. STR between 8 to 15 inclusive. In the late game (which these calculations otherwise seem to be for), most characters should have their stats pretty close to maximized, which improves the damage significantly for most weapons, but crucially, not for missiles fired from a launcher (i.e. arrows, bolts and sling stones; see uhitm.c, line 892). Thus, while e.g. low-strength Rogues can maximize their damage output with poisoned crossbow bolts, a late-game Rogue with 18/** STR is much better off throwing daggers. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- I fixed the table. Thank you for finding error. It turns out Rogue's best weapon is (surprisingly) darts, though. --NDos (talk) 05:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Katanas are very hard to find, so what is the best second option? I suppose there are long swords, but I want confirmation.
Too, it is logical to think that silver sabers are supreme in Gehennom. Am I missing a point?
- In that case, a normal long sword turns out to be a good replacement. For silver sabers in Gehennom, your argument actually turns out to be true for Archeologists since NetHack 3.6.0, when the mechanism of two-handed combat changed. This table is to be updated later. --NDos (talk) 11:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Also, the current (2018.10.03) version respects monsters' frequency, but not their difficulty, which will be respected in next version. --NDos (talk) 12:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
